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Michael Christ
2014-03-03 22:00:38 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.




Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
2014-03-03 22:34:10 UTC
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Does that mean Jesus is a robot?

Could God have made us all like Jesus?
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Pete
2014-03-03 22:45:59 UTC
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Post by Barry OGrady
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Does that mean Jesus is a robot?
Could God have made us all like Jesus?
God has made everyone who believes in Jesus, like Christ Jesus.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him
purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1Jn 3:2-3 KJV)
Pete
2014-03-03 22:42:37 UTC
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Michael Christ
2014-03-04 07:17:02 UTC
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"Pete" wrote in message news:lf30gp$ha2$***@speranza.aioe.org...

On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.



Michael Christ



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Pete
2014-03-04 16:09:37 UTC
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
Michael Christ
2014-03-04 21:38:47 UTC
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"Pete" wrote in message news:lf4trv$8gl$***@speranza.aioe.org...

On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.

Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.




Michael Christ


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Pete
2014-03-06 08:50:05 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Michael Christ
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
Michael Christ
2014-03-06 09:50:09 UTC
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"Pete" wrote in message news:lf9crt$p3h$***@speranza.aioe.org...

On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.

Very well, have it your way.



Michael Christ



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Pete
2014-03-07 07:18:40 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:09 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.
Very well, have it your way.
Michael Christ
No Michael, it is the way of the Lord, His truths and His ways. He said it
straight out, with full clarity.

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duke
2014-03-08 19:00:01 UTC
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Post by Pete
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:09 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.
Very well, have it your way.
Michael Christ
No Michael, it is the way of the Lord, His truths and His ways. He said it
straight out, with full clarity.
Why don't you obey, pete?

MASS:
Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).

SACRAMENTS:
Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
Confession - John 20:22-23, Mat 9:2-8
Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14

PAPACY:
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)

duke, American-American
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Michael Christ
2014-03-08 22:11:52 UTC
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"Pete" wrote in message news:lfbrsj$1ben$***@adenine.netfront.net...

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:09 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.
Very well, have it your way.
No Michael, it is the way of the Lord, His truths and His ways. He said it
straight out, with full clarity.
Hey, you are a manipulator and deluded, Jesus was always perfect, spotless,
without blemish, 100% pure.

Asshole.



Michael Christ


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Pete
2014-03-09 00:11:53 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 06:11:52 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:09 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.
Very well, have it your way.
No Michael, it is the way of the Lord, His truths and His ways. He said it
straight out, with full clarity.
Hey, you are a manipulator and deluded, Jesus was always perfect, spotless,
without blemish, 100% pure.
Asshole.
Michael Christ
He now bears the blemish's for sin, yours and mine, that of the whole
earth. Forever will He have that and forever will I be grateful. The word
of God is what it is, that you disagree is on you. satan would delete all
scripture if he could and call it all good. Sound familiar?

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Michael Christ
2014-03-09 03:49:52 UTC
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Manipulator.

But not forever.




Michael Christ



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Pete
2014-03-09 04:42:07 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 11:49:52 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
But not forever.
Michael Christ
Why are you so fearful?
Michael Christ
2014-03-09 09:25:56 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
Why are you so fearful?
It wasn't necessary to provide the proof!

:-).



Michael Christ



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Barry OGrady
2014-03-09 10:24:19 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 17:25:56 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
Why are you so fearful?
It wasn't necessary to provide the proof!
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Post by Michael Christ
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Michael Christ
2014-03-09 10:38:27 UTC
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Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.

So, no.

Sorry.


Michael Christ




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Barry OGrady
2014-03-09 11:01:32 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 18:38:27 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Are you aware that all mammals have both male and female?

What was God thinking when he gave us the same sort of
sexuality as other mammals?

What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive?
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Michael Christ
2014-03-09 21:43:52 UTC
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 18:38:27 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Are you aware that all mammals have both male and female?
What was God thinking when he gave us the same sort of
sexuality as other mammals?
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive?
You'll see Him soon enough and you'll be able to ask Him why He has failed
in thine holy sight.


Michael Christ
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Barry OGrady
2014-03-10 03:16:22 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 05:43:52 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Barry OGrady
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 18:38:27 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Are you aware that all mammals have both male and female?
Are you aware that all mammals have both male and female?
Post by Barry OGrady
Post by Michael Christ
What was God thinking when he gave us the same sort of
sexuality as other mammals?
What was God thinking when he gave us the same sort of
sexuality as other mammals?
Post by Barry OGrady
Post by Michael Christ
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive?
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive?
Post by Barry OGrady
You'll see Him soon enough and you'll be able to ask Him why He has failed
in thine holy sight.
God may be hiding out of embarrassment.
Post by Barry OGrady
Michael [the gay] Christ
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dolf
2014-03-09 20:06:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
Michael Christ
2014-03-09 21:45:18 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
You have let your sexual desire outweigh your need for Him.



Michael Christ



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dolf
2014-03-09 22:06:02 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
You have let your sexual desire outweigh your need for Him.
Sexual desire is a matter of youth, when you grow older it whithers.
Barry OGrady
2014-03-10 03:13:13 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 05:45:18 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
You have let your sexual desire outweigh your need for Him.
You don't approve of the way God made us.
Post by Michael Christ
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2014-03-10 10:55:22 UTC
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 05:45:18 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
You have let your sexual desire outweigh your need for Him.
You don't approve of the way God made us.
I don't approve of the way you exercise your free will, but then it is your
life that you are throwing away on the stupid notion that there is no God.

Other than that, its all good.




Michael Christ


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Barry OGrady
2014-03-10 11:05:59 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:55:22 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Barry OGrady
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 05:45:18 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Barry OGrady
Do you approve of gay marriage?
Its delusion.
So, no.
Sorry.
Gay marriage is the wound to the beast which is the Church.
You have let your sexual desire outweigh your need for Him.
You don't approve of the way God made us.
I don't approve of the way you exercise your free will, but then it is your
life that you are throwing away on the stupid notion that there is no God.
Other than that, its all good.
You are required to praise the creator while denigrating the results
of its creating.
Post by Barry OGrady
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Pete
2014-03-09 15:28:45 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 17:25:56 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
Why are you so fearful?
It wasn't necessary to provide the proof!
:-).
Michael Christ
Your words, your actions, the same yesterday as today.
You have been terribly deceived.

The real Christ is coming soon, and when He does He will be quick, seek
deliverance, seek Jesus.
Barry OGrady
2014-03-09 17:20:56 UTC
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Post by Pete
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 17:25:56 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
Why are you so fearful?
It wasn't necessary to provide the proof!
:-).
Michael Christ
Your words, your actions, the same yesterday as today.
You have been terribly deceived.
The real Christ is coming soon, and when He does He will be quick, seek
deliverance, seek Jesus.
Seek deliverance from Jesus.
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2014-03-09 17:02:00 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
But not forever.
Michael Christ
Maybe so. Pete almost certainly hasn't been baptized, and I'm betting that
neither one of you has ever been to confession.

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2014-03-09 21:56:55 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Manipulator.
But not forever.
Michael Christ
Maybe so. Pete almost certainly hasn't been baptized, and I'm betting that
neither one of you has ever been to confession.
You can bet your life on that if you like.



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Barry OGrady
2014-03-09 05:28:13 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 06:11:52 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:50:09 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 05:38:47 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:17:02 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Pete
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:00:38 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath
highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:8-11 KJV)
Well that is not any surprise then considering He was and is perfect and
always has been.
He was born into Carnal Flesh. In that Flesh He was tested and tried just
like you or I. He then became sin, as He took all the sin of the world upon
His shoulders, from that imperfection God the Father turned away. He took
Post by Pete
it willingly, and not lightly as some may think (quite mistakenly) It was
not a light task that Jesus undertook. Yet Jesus came out quite victorious
and was resurrected. Which all the disciples can attest to, as well as 120
others. We are all born in sin. The inherited sin of Adam and for this
reason we die.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with the flesh, it has to do with
His nature.
Maybe this will make it clearer. 'It was because of His perfection in
Spirit that He was obedient'.
Scripture does not say that.
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:8-9 KJV)
According to you understanding.
Very well, have it your way.
No Michael, it is the way of the Lord, His truths and His ways. He said it
straight out, with full clarity.
Hey, you are a manipulator and deluded, Jesus was always perfect, spotless,
without blemish, 100% pure.
Asshole.
Michael Christ
He now bears the blemish's for sin, yours and mine, that of the whole
earth.
That makes Jesus the lowest scumbag shit ever, lower even than God.
Post by Pete
Forever will He have that and forever will I be grateful.
Grateful that God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself
and he still hates everybody.
Post by Pete
The word of God is what it is, that you disagree is on you.
Satan would delete all scripture if he could and call it all good.
Satan has never done us any harm. God does the harm and
blames it on Satan.
It would be good for everyone including God if all scripture was
deleted and all Christians were killed.
Post by Pete
Sound familiar?
Sounds like bullshit.
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2014-03-09 16:38:38 UTC
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Asshole.
Michael Christ
He now bears the blemish's for sin, yours and mine, that of the whole
earth. Forever will He have that and forever will I be grateful.
Pete, with your demonstrated performance on the ng, don't worry about mikey.
We're all sinners 24/7 - some worst than others.

However, I don't think you've ever been baptized, and if true, you're way more
in trouble than us that have.

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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2014-03-09 19:55:30 UTC
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Post by duke
Pete, with your demonstrated performance on the ng, don't worry about mikey.
We're all sinners 24/7 - some worst than others.
However, I don't think you've ever been baptized, and if true, you're way more
in trouble than us that have.
Everyone needs to be baptized AFTER coming to believe in Christ, for
he commands it.

"He that believeth AND is baptised will be saved"

"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"

Jeff...
Pete
2014-03-09 20:50:42 UTC
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"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"
Jeff...
Yes, and that is what baptism does, it identifies oneself with Christ.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2014-03-09 20:55:21 UTC
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"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"
Jeff...
Yes, and that is what baptism does, it identifies oneself with Christ.
Yet umpteen millions refuse to obey Christ's first command after
professing belief in him.

Jeff...
Pete
2014-03-09 23:59:44 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
"Pete" wrote in message news
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Post by Pete
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"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"
Jeff...
Yes, and that is what baptism does, it identifies oneself with Christ.
Yet umpteen millions refuse to obey Christ's first command after
professing belief in him.
Jeff...
Paul says something similar to this...
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the
putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience
toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1Pe 3:21 KJV)

Mat 28:18 And coming up Jesus talked with them, saying, All authority in
Heaven and on earth was given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

This command, as it were, is to those that disciple, not the recipient. As
I told you before, Baptism for the purpose of identifying oneself with
Jesus is no problem, it is a confessing of sorts.

I think that everyone that is born again usually seeks water baptism for
Id's sake.

The heresy comes in when it is the means by which one is saved. That takes
away, or nullifies the scripture of being born from above, and we both know
that is the only way we are saved.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2014-03-10 10:03:23 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
"Pete" wrote in message news
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Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by Pete
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"
Jeff...
Yes, and that is what baptism does, it identifies oneself with Christ.
Yet umpteen millions refuse to obey Christ's first command after
professing belief in him.
Jeff...
Paul says something similar to this...
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the
putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience
toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1Pe 3:21 KJV)
Note: "Even baptism doth also now save us"
Post by Michael Christ
Mat 28:18 And coming up Jesus talked with them, saying, All authority in
Heaven and on earth was given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This command, as it were, is to those that disciple, not the recipient.
Not so! Christ's teaching for baptism is also for the recipient, Pete.
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved"
Mark 16:16 (ESV)

Belief is only the first part of Christ's instruction for those who wished
to be saved.

Jeff...
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2014-03-10 10:33:37 UTC
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Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by duke
Pete, with your demonstrated performance on the ng, don't worry about mikey.
We're all sinners 24/7 - some worst than others.
However, I don't think you've ever been baptized, and if true, you're way more
in trouble than us that have.
Everyone needs to be baptized AFTER coming to believe in Christ, for
he commands it.
I don't take kindly to being commanded by an evil deity.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"He that believeth AND is baptised will be saved"
Saved from God by God. Called a protection racket.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"As many have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ"
Sounds gay.
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2014-03-04 03:50:14 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
You got the cart before the horse again there son:

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience
by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation
Michael Christ
2014-03-04 07:10:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation
It is as I wrote.

Jesus is the same as He always was.

Perfect.



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2014-03-04 08:31:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation
It is as I wrote.
LMAO!!!

Ahhh, Mikey!!! You deleted part of it. Was it a rather
inconvient little truth? Did I find something that not even
Mikey likes?

But don't worry, I can C&P it:

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience
by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation

Looks to me, that he *learned obedience*, and was
made *perfect*.
Post by Michael Christ
Jesus is the same as He always was.
So the author of Hebrews was full of shit.
However, "he" was not always.
Post by Michael Christ
Perfect.
Yet, it clearly states, he was made perfect,
through learned obedience.

And you guys wonder why I find you all as such
a wonderful source of *cheap* entertainment.
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2014-03-04 08:41:19 UTC
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Imaginative ramblings don't make perfect theology, Abyss.

It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.

But you, you are not obedient because you are imperfect.

See the contrast?

No one wars against what they know is wrong, there is nothing justify it.
But you war, Abyss, therefore you declare by your deeds that there is a God.




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2014-03-04 09:01:42 UTC
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Imaginative ramblings don't make perfect theology, Abyss.
Is that what Hebrews is? Imaginative ramblings?

Dang, looks like I just learned something!
Hebrews is "imaginative ramblings".
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Yet:

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience
by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation

The author of Hebrews disagrees with you Mikey.

I found something that Mikey doesn't like!
Post by Michael Christ
But you, you are not obedient because you are imperfect.
See the contrast?
Maybe through sufferings, I didn't learn obedience
through them.
Post by Michael Christ
No one wars against what they know is wrong, there
is nothing justify it.
Yet you, war against the word of your own "God",
in order to justify your own behavior and beliefs.
Post by Michael Christ
But you war, Abyss, therefore you declare by
your deeds that there is a God.
And yours, declare there is no "God".
Michael Christ
2014-03-04 09:18:39 UTC
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It is amazing how you think your interpretations of scripture (as a person
who denies there is a God), are correct.

Amazing.

The Spirit needed is absent but you think by your strength you can know
them?!

Amazing.

Ignorance upon ignorance.



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2014-03-04 14:26:10 UTC
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It is amazing how you think your interpretations of scripture
(as a person who denies there is a God), are correct.
You are welcome to attempt to explain:

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience
by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been
made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation
Post by Michael Christ
Amazing.
It is amazing, that you feel the need to snip, rather than
to address. It reveals the strength, or lack thereof, of
your position.
Post by Michael Christ
The Spirit needed is absent but you think by your
strength you can know them?!
Amazing.
Ignorance upon ignorance.
Yet, it clearly states, learned obedience through
suffering, having been made perfect.
Michael Christ
2014-03-04 22:06:07 UTC
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Yet, it clearly states, learned obedience through
suffering, having been made perfect.
Clearly stated by not understood by you.

Jesus was born into a fallen world.

How you learn, let us say 'operate', in this world is by experience.
Obedience is learned by knowing what obedience means.

He has a flesh He hasn't had before, so when He puts his fallen hand into a
fallen world element, say a flame, He learns now what is required...that
goes for many many things. So now that he knows not to put his hand into
the flame He has learned obedience to it.

Nothing to do with righteousness and unrighteousness until it is learned,
then it becomes that kind of matter. And Jesus learned what obedience meant
in this world and then never turned away.

Now what? You are going to argue and argue like you have done all your life
and continue to go nowhere??

So He now comes to the cross and He has learned what is required (through
the things He has suffered) and is obedient to it. Praise the Lord. Even
in my own life now, I am experiencing new ground (uncomfortable, yes), but I
know (undeniably) it will equip me for what is to come for me. Praise the
Lord. Purpose...its wonderful! Again I say, Praise the Lord.




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2014-03-05 17:25:25 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him,
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2014-03-05 20:08:20 UTC
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Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.

"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)

Jeff...
The excellent Bible Readings for Today.
Leviticus...............11.
Psalms.............110-12.
2 Corinthians......3-4.
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2014-03-05 21:27:37 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
Post by Pete
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
Both of you. Physically He was a man but spiritually He is God.

I speak of spiritual matters, you speak and relate to earthly things.
Follow your reasoning with your bible perceptions and interpretations to
there conclusion, if you can.

"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".

And it is because of your imperfection that you are not.



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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
I have learned:
"He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered. And having been perfected"

Notice the progression?
He learns to be obedient, then he became 'perfected' ready
for his Fathers plan for him.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
Not according to the Bible....Michael?

First he 'learns' obedience to his Father, by the things that he suffered!

Jeff...
Michael Christ
2014-03-05 22:03:14 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
I have learned:
"He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered. And having been perfected"

Notice the progression?
He learns to be obedient, then he became 'perfected' ready
for his Fathers plan for him.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
Not according to the Bible....Michael?

First he 'learns' obedience to his Father, by the things that he suffered!

Jeff...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Following your line of reasoning.

Your reasoning is wrong, not the bible verse.

Jesus was always God, and God is always perfect.


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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
"He learned obedience by the things which
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
He suffered. And having been perfected"
Notice the progression?
He learns to be obedient, then he became 'perfected' ready
for his Fathers plan for him.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
Not according to the Bible....Michael?
First he 'learns' obedience to his Father, by the things that he suffered!
Jeff...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Following your line of reasoning.
Your reasoning is wrong,
LOL!
It is not my reasoning but the writer of the Hebrews.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things which
He suffered. Heb 5:9 And having been perfected,
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
not the bible verse.
Then accept the Bible verse then, Michael.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jesus was always God, and God is always perfect.
Then it's quite obvious the writer of the Hebrews did not believe that
Jesus was God......{;o;}

Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things which
He suffered. Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*...

Jeff...
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2014-03-06 09:53:20 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
"He learned obedience by the things which
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
He suffered. And having been perfected"
Notice the progression?
He learns to be obedient, then he became 'perfected' ready
for his Fathers plan for him.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
Not according to the Bible....Michael?
First he 'learns' obedience to his Father, by the things that he suffered!
Jeff...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Following your line of reasoning.
Your reasoning is wrong,
LOL!
It is not my reasoning but the writer of the Hebrews.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things which
He suffered. Heb 5:9 And having been perfected,
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
not the bible verse.
Then accept the Bible verse then, Michael.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jesus was always God, and God is always perfect.
Then it's quite obvious the writer of the Hebrews did not believe that
Jesus was God......{;o;}

Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things which
He suffered. Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*...

Jeff...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Jesus was and is God manifested in the flesh. End of story.

He came to fulfil all righteousness because He was [is] righteous.

You and Pete can have it your way, it is your life.



Michael Christ


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"Michael Christ" wrote in message news
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Michael Christ
Why don't you use proper usenet quoting?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_quoting

Usenet quoting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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include some context for the discussion. This is often accomplished by
quoting a portion of the original message using Usenet conventions. In
essence the convention is to communicate in plain text format (not
HTML) and quote with ">" at the beginning of each line, ">>" for a
quote of quote, and so on. Most email clients can perform Usenet
quoting automatically.
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2014-03-06 10:56:01 UTC
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Why don't you use proper usenet quoting?
Well why don't you make yourself useful and tell me how I can do those
indents in Windows Live Mail?




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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
You don't want to learn? Fine. Your loss.
"He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered. And having been perfected"
Notice the progression?
He learns to be obedient, then he became 'perfected' ready
for his Fathers plan for him.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
Not according to the Bible....Michael?
First he 'learns' obedience to his Father, by the things that he suffered!
Jeff...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Following your line of reasoning.
Your reasoning is wrong, not the bible verse.
Jesus was always God, and God is always perfect.
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?



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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
You need to ask why it would bother.
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2014-03-06 19:55:02 UTC
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"

Jeff...
James
2014-03-06 21:24:47 UTC
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.


James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org
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2014-03-06 22:00:38 UTC
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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.

No fallen man could be found who could.

"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".




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2014-03-07 16:23:38 UTC
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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote? It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.


James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org
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Michael Christ
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2014-03-07 21:59:17 UTC
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.

The problem you and others have is understanding what it meant to 'fulfil
all righteousness'.

He never ever did a thing wrong. Ever!

Spotless Lamb of God who died for our total depravity.

Praise the Lord.




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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Jesus is a low as anyone can get.
Post by Michael Christ
The problem you and others have is understanding what it meant to 'fulfil
all righteousness'.
He never ever did a thing wrong. Ever!
That is one benefit of not existing.
Post by Michael Christ
Spotless Lamb of God who died for our total depravity.
Praise the Lord.
For what?
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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Post by Michael Christ
The problem you and others have is understanding what it meant to 'fulfil
all righteousness'.
He never ever did a thing wrong. Ever!
I never said he did. The Bible shows him to be sinless. 1 Pe 2:22,

"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." (NIV)


James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org
Post by Michael Christ
Spotless Lamb of God who died for our total depravity.
Praise the Lord.
Michael Christ
James
2014-03-08 17:04:21 UTC
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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Post by Michael Christ
The problem you and others have is understanding what it meant to 'fulfil
all righteousness'.
He never ever did a thing wrong. Ever!
I never said he did. The Bible shows him to be sinless. 1 Pe 2:22,

"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." (NIV)


James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org
Post by Michael Christ
Spotless Lamb of God who died for our total depravity.
Praise the Lord.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
2014-03-08 21:27:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Post by Michael Christ
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Jesus can't get any lower.
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Post by Michael Christ
The problem you and others have is understanding what it meant to 'fulfil
all righteousness'.
He never ever did a thing wrong. Ever!
I never said he did. The Bible shows him to be sinless. 1 Pe 2:22,
"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." (NIV)
The bible is fiction.
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2014-03-08 22:22:16 UTC
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Like with that Duke fellow you don't know your ways and you are not hearing,
James.

Start now.

"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
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Post by James
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Yes, He is NOT to be compared with Satan and his demons before or after the
fall.




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2014-03-08 23:28:25 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Like with that Duke fellow you don't know your ways and you are not hearing,
James.
Start now.
"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
Jesus was a robot?
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by James
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Yes, He is NOT to be compared with Satan and his demons before or after the
fall.
That would be offensive to Satan.
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 06:22:16 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Michael Christ
Like with that Duke fellow you don't know your ways and you are not hearing,
James.
Start now.
"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
Jesus was a robot?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by James
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Yes, He is NOT to be compared with Satan and his demons before or after the
fall.
That would be offensive to Satan.
That's a shame.




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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 11:51:27 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Post by Barry OGrady
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 06:22:16 +0800, "Michael Christ"
Did we both write the same things at the same time?
Post by Barry OGrady
Post by Michael Christ
Like with that Duke fellow you don't know your ways and you are not
hearing, James.
Start now.
"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
Jesus was a robot?
Why are you asking me?
Gladies insists that the only way for God to make us perfect would
for God to make us robots.
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by James
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Yes, He is NOT to be compared with Satan and his demons before or after the
fall.
That would be offensive to Satan.
That's a shame.
God blames Satan for God's evil actions and God does not allow
Satan to defend himself.
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2014-03-09 20:15:32 UTC
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"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
No!
Michael!
Please stop arguing against Scripture, for it states he LEARNED to be
obedient by what
he SUFFERED!

"7 Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death,
and having been heard for his godly fear, 8 though he was a Son, yet learned
obedience by the things which he suffered"
Heb 5:6-8 (ASV)

Did you see that?
"Though he was a Son, yet *learned*
obedience by the things which he suffered"

Jeff...
James
2014-03-09 17:00:37 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Like with that Duke fellow you don't know your ways and you are not hearing,
James.
Start now.
"It was because of ******** HIS perfection*********** that He was obedient".
Post by Michael Christ
Post by James
It don't
seem to make much sense because everything God does is perfect. (Deut
32:4) And thus God created Satan and his demons perfect. Yet even
though perfect, they did not remain "obedient". Thus perfection does
not make a person obedient. It helps, but is not the qualifying
factor.
Don't even think about downgrading Jesus, He is not downgraderble.
Downgrading Jesus??
Yes, He is NOT to be compared with Satan and his demons before or after the
fall.
The Bible compares him to imperfect humans all the time. The Bible
also compares Jesus to Adam when he was perfect. That is why the Bible
calls Jesus the 'second Adam'. (1 Cor 15:45)


James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org
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Michael Christ
duke
2014-03-08 18:09:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
And the only reason He could do that was because He came from above.
No fallen man could be found who could.
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
A spiritual quote of the Bible reality and a personal revelation from the
Lord.
Wrong. We know that Jesus emptied himself of his divine nature. That means he
had to do it as flesh. His purity in the flesh is the reason he can judge your
impurity in the flesh.

You better get to confession to a priest real fast.

duke, American-American
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and Americans. The lies, the lies, the lies.
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2014-03-08 22:45:24 UTC
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(snip)

An out of context response to give me some of 'Duke' nature.

Hey Buddy, thanks!



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(snip)
An out of context response to give me some of 'Duke' nature.
Hey Buddy, thanks!
Snipping a Bible quote away, will not make it go away.

As was said before, the Bible compares the perfect human Adam, with
Jesus Christ, thus calling him "the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."
(1 Cor 15:45) Perfection is being compared to perfection. The first
perfection sinned, the second perfection did not.


James
John 4:23,24
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Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
2014-03-10 12:05:52 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
(snip)
An out of context response to give me some of 'Duke' nature.
Hey Buddy, thanks!
Snipping a Bible quote away, will not make it go away.
As was said before, the Bible compares the perfect human Adam, with
Jesus Christ, thus calling him "the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."
(1 Cor 15:45) Perfection is being compared to perfection. The first
perfection sinned, the second perfection did not.
So God fucked up big time.
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By being born of a human mother!
Just as we were, and found ourselves also "Fashioned as men"
Jeff...
Yes, Jesus used to live in Heaven and had greatness given to him by
God. Then he 'emptied' himself of all that glory he had in Heaven, and
because a man. And he obeyed God right to the bitter end.
There was no bitter end, He was victorious. Had there been a bitter end
there would be no christianity today. God would have lost the war with
satan and all would fall apart and been destroyed since all is held
together with His word.

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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By His desire to please His Dad, and with the help of ministering angels
just before his sacrifice. He also looked to the Glory which was to come.

Far better to ask Him, than oneself.
duke
2014-03-07 18:35:22 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:54:30 +0800, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By His desire to please His Dad, and with the help of ministering angels
just before his sacrifice. He also looked to the Glory which was to come.
He already had that glory before he became flesh. And as far as pleasing, he
was already equal to his Father and the Holy Spirit.
Post by Pete
Far better to ask Him, than oneself.
I'd say the same to you.

duke, American-American
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2014-03-07 22:02:41 UTC
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By His desire to please His Dad, and with the help of ministering angels
just before his sacrifice. He also looked to the Glory which was to come.
Far better to ask Him, than oneself.
You are still slipping and sleazing around, Peter.

The answer is: It was because of His perfection.

You prefer your pride over Him.



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2014-03-07 22:14:37 UTC
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Michael Christ wrote: You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
We know why for the Bible tells us Michael.
"2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who *for the
joy*
that was set before him *endured the cross*, despising the shame, and is
set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
Heb 12:1-2 (KJV)

Jeff...
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
We know why for the Bible tells us Michael.
"2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who *for the
joy*
that was set before him *endured the cross*, despising the shame, and is
set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
Heb 12:1-2 (KJV)
Amen.

Praise the Lord...not a man, but the 'God with us' He is.



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2014-03-08 09:40:14 UTC
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Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Michael Christ" wrote in message news
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Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
We know why for the Bible tells us Michael.
"2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who *for the
joy*
that was set before him *endured the cross*, despising the shame, and is
set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
Heb 12:1-2 (KJV)
Amen.
Praise the Lord..
For what?
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2014-03-08 18:12:32 UTC
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"Michael Christ" wrote in message news
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Pete
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
We know why for the Bible tells us Michael.
"2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who *for the
joy*
that was set before him *endured the cross*, despising the shame, and is
set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
Heb 12:1-2 (KJV)
Amen.
Praise the Lord...not a man, but the 'God with us' He is.
mikey, lost as a goose in the fog.
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Michael Christ
duke, American-American
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2014-03-08 18:11:55 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 22:14:37 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"Michael Christ" wrote in message news
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Michael Christ wrote: You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
We know why for the Bible tells us Michael.
"2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who *for the
joy*
that was set before him *endured the cross*, despising the shame, and is
set down at the right hand of the throne of God"
Heb 12:1-2 (KJV)
Yes, he endured the cross as flesh ONLY.

duke, American-American
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Pete
2014-03-09 04:56:00 UTC
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Yes, he endured the cross as flesh ONLY.
He told satan twice that He was the Lord thy God.

The angels told men that He was God.
duke
2014-03-08 18:11:05 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 06:02:41 +0800, "Michael Christ"
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Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
You need to ask yourself how He could do that?
By His desire to please His Dad, and with the help of ministering angels
just before his sacrifice. He also looked to the Glory which was to come.
Far better to ask Him, than oneself.
You are still slipping and sleazing around, Peter.
The answer is: It was because of His perfection.
You prefer your pride over Him.
He made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in
human likeness.

You don't understand this??

duke, American-American
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Pete
2014-03-06 09:08:00 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:08:20 -0000, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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Michael Christ
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.

So how is one going to "Work out their own salvation"?

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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2014-03-06 20:36:54 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
Post by Pete
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.
So how is one going to "Work out their own salvation"?
As taught above Pete...."with fear and trembling" and by "Rightly dividing
the word of truth".

Jeff...
Pete
2014-03-07 15:14:15 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 20:36:54 -0000, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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Michael Christ
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Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
Post by Pete
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.
So how is one going to "Work out their own salvation"?
As taught above Pete...."with fear and trembling" and by "Rightly dividing
the word of truth".
Jeff...
Are you admitting you do not know? Just sitting there fearfully and shaking
all the time accomplishes nothing, and how can one rightly divide the word
with all that going on?
duke
2014-03-07 18:36:44 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 20:36:54 -0000, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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Michael Christ
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Post by Pete
Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
Post by Pete
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.
So how is one going to "Work out their own salvation"?
As taught above Pete...."with fear and trembling" and by "Rightly dividing
the word of truth".
Jeff...
Are you admitting you do not know? Just sitting there fearfully and shaking
all the time accomplishes nothing, and how can one rightly divide the word
with all that going on?
It mean, pete fool, that you can never take salvation for granted. That's what
"continuing to work out your salvation" means. It's never guaranteed.

duke, American-American
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and Americans. The lies, the lies, the lies.
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Pete
2014-03-09 05:05:41 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 20:36:54 -0000, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by Michael Christ
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Michael Christ
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Post by Michael Christ
It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Heb 5:8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which
He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him.
Indeed, he was a man, "made like unto his brethren" and so he too had
to 'learn obedience' just as all the faithful have to do.
Post by Pete
"In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and
trembling."
Phil 2:12-13 (GW)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.
So how is one going to "Work out their own salvation"?
As taught above Pete...."with fear and trembling" and by "Rightly dividing
the word of truth".
Jeff...
Are you admitting you do not know? Just sitting there fearfully and shaking
all the time accomplishes nothing, and how can one rightly divide the word
with all that going on?
It mean, pete fool, that you can never take salvation for granted. That's what
"continuing to work out your salvation" means. It's never guaranteed.
Again you are wrong.In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word
of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye
believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the
earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased
possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:13-14 KJV)

who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,
to the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:14 ESV)

Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your
salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised
Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the
redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:13-14 LEB)

This is why I serve a different God than you.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2014-03-07 21:53:08 UTC
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"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
No!
The Bible tells us it was because he was obedient to God his
Father that he became a sinless man and thus a fitting sacrifice for sin.

Heb 5:8 " though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things
which He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him."

Jeff...
The excellent Bible Readings for Today.
Leviticus...............14.
Psalms.............115-116.
2 Corinthians......8-9.
Barry OGrady
2014-03-07 22:44:27 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:53:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by James
Post by Michael Christ
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
No!
The Bible tells us it was because he was obedient to God his
Father that he became a sinless man and thus a fitting sacrifice for sin.
Heb 5:8 " though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things
which He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him."
Making yourself human in order to sacrifice yourself unto yourself
won't work. Why does there have to be death anyway?
And why would your own death be so impressive to yourself?

.

Jesus: the cover-up
NonStampCollector

Published on 12 Jan 2014

No broadcast, no festivities, no coverage whatsoever...
Instead, it happens in the dead of night when nobody's around...?
Why? Isn't this meant to be the turning point of the history of
creation?
Sounds like someone's covering something up, or trying to get away
with something. But why? What? And guess who screwed it up?

It suddenly occurred to me a few months back: the 40+ years-later
accounts we have of the morning of Jesus's resurrection sound exactly
like the way things would have played out if Jesus had wanted NOBODY
to know about it. Curious. Why would THAT be? But then when you think
about the insane theology behind it - it's actually no wonder.
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duke
2014-03-08 18:18:41 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:53:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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Post by James
Post by Michael Christ
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
No!
The Bible tells us it was because he was obedient to God his
Father that he became a sinless man and thus a fitting sacrifice for sin.
Heb 5:8 " though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things
which He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him."
Yes, perfected as flesh. And he showed us that perfection in the flesh is our
goal for salvation.

duke, American-American
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and Americans. The lies, the lies, the lies.
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Michael Christ
2014-03-08 22:49:41 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:53:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by James
Post by Michael Christ
"It was because of His perfection that He was obedient".
You have that last sentence in quotes. Is that a Bible quote?
No!
The Bible tells us it was because he was obedient to God his
Father that he became a sinless man and thus a fitting sacrifice for sin.
Heb 5:8 " though He was a Son, yet He *learned obedience* by the things
which He suffered.
Heb 5:9 And having been *perfected*, He became the author of eternal
salvation to all who obey Him."
Yes, perfected as flesh. And he showed us that perfection in the flesh is our
goal for salvation.
How are you going with that??

Well, you chose 'self-directed Catholicism', such is the result.

It is perfection in the spirit that is the goal.




Michael Christ


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idlehands
2014-03-06 20:32:54 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
You make him sound like a dog
Michael Christ
2014-03-06 22:01:37 UTC
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It was because of His perfection that He was obedient.
Michael Christ
You make him sound like a dog
Only to you.




Michael Christ




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