Discussion:
INRI? But where the hell does Jesus ever claim to be king of the Jews??
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Ted
2023-01-08 19:59:59 UTC
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Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.

A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.

But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)

But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is ludicrous,
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.

Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him to
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.

Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias, pulled
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark wrote his gospel.)
Ted
2023-01-08 23:00:25 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him to
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the bud.
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear was
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.

So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been smart
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.

Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
Frank Lee
2023-01-09 08:36:48 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO)
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging.
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the bud.
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear was
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been smart
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
Dr. Who
2023-01-09 08:51:17 UTC
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Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO)
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging.
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the bud.
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear was
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been smart
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
That is what the Bible says.
Ted
2023-01-09 09:08:51 UTC
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Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO)
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for
information
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the
Roman
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor
recognized
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a
flogging.
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the bud.
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear was
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been smart
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
Yes and no. The Romans would kill, in a heartbeat, anybody with a
following who claimed to be king of the Jews, but they didn't know
that's what Jesus privately told his disciples until Judas ratted him
out to the Sanhedrin and they reported it to Pilate. They wanted
Jesus dead because of the crap he pulled in the temple and because he
was preaching that the temple would be destroyed when the Son of Man
arrived.

At first, the Romans were viewed as sharing culpability, e.g., in
Mark's gospel. But as time progressed, the Christians transferred the
blame entirely to the Jews. Among other reasons, they needed to suck
up to the Romans. That crap about Pilate wanting to let Jesus off the
hook and finally washing his hands is just made up bullshit. We can
bet that Pilate didn't think twice about it and that Jesus's whole
trial before him took two minutes or less.
Dr. Who
2023-01-09 18:19:15 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:00:04 PM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king
of
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of
Man
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day
in
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as
Messiah
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's
why it
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest
knife
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none
of
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard
MO)
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for
information
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we
don't
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced
him
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the
Roman
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor
recognized
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a
flogging.
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the
siege
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the
bud.
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear
was
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been
smart
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
Yes and no. The Romans would kill, in a heartbeat, anybody with a
following who claimed to be king of the Jews, but they didn't know
that's what Jesus privately told his disciples until Judas ratted him
out to the Sanhedrin and they reported it to Pilate. They wanted
Jesus dead because of the crap he pulled in the temple and because he
was preaching that the temple would be destroyed when the Son of Man
arrived.
At first, the Romans were viewed as sharing culpability, e.g., in
Mark's gospel. But as time progressed, the Christians transferred the
blame entirely to the Jews. Among other reasons, they needed to suck
up to the Romans. That crap about Pilate wanting to let Jesus off the
hook and finally washing his hands is just made up bullshit. We can
bet that Pilate didn't think twice about it and that Jesus's whole
trial before him took two minutes or less.
Pilate had good reason to "wash his hands of it" due to the fear his wife had
caused by a foreboding dream. He allowed it because of a custom allowed to
the Jew of a substitution of choice.
Ted
2023-01-10 00:47:31 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 00:36:48 -0800, Frank
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:00:04 PM UTC-8, Jack
Sovalot
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king
of
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of
Man
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day
in
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as
Messiah
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's
why it
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest
knife
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none
of
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their
standard
Post by Dr. Who
MO)
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for
information
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we
don't
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate
sentenced
Post by Dr. Who
him
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben
Ananias,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the
Roman
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
Post by Ted
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor
recognized
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a
flogging.
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the
siege
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the
bud.
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear
was
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't
stupid
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the
charge
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been
smart
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
Yes and no. The Romans would kill, in a heartbeat, anybody with a
following who claimed to be king of the Jews, but they didn't know
that's what Jesus privately told his disciples until Judas ratted him
out to the Sanhedrin and they reported it to Pilate. They wanted
Jesus dead because of the crap he pulled in the temple and
because he
Post by Dr. Who
was preaching that the temple would be destroyed when the Son of Man
arrived.
At first, the Romans were viewed as sharing culpability, e.g., in
Mark's gospel. But as time progressed, the Christians transferred the
blame entirely to the Jews. Among other reasons, they needed to suck
up to the Romans. That crap about Pilate wanting to let Jesus off the
hook and finally washing his hands is just made up bullshit. We can
bet that Pilate didn't think twice about it and that Jesus's whole
trial before him took two minutes or less.
Pilate had good reason to "wash his hands of it" due to the fear his wife had
caused by a foreboding dream. He allowed it because of a custom allowed to
the Jew of a substitution of choice.
None of that really happened. It's pure fiction.

Michael McLean
2023-01-09 09:12:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Lee
Post by Ted
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:38:02 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of
the
Post by Ted
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife
in
Post by Ted
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of
them
Post by Ted
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO)
and
Post by Ted
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is
ludicrous,
Post by Ted
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information
you
Post by Ted
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him
to
Post by Ted
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias,
pulled
Post by Ted
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized
the
Post by Ted
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging.
(So
Post by Ted
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege
of
Post by Ted
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark
wrote his gospel.)
Jesus never said that, but that was the
charge leveled against him by the Romans.
The Romans viewed that as rebellion.
That's right, and they tried to nip every insurrection in the bud.
They already knew Jesus had a following. All they needed to hear was
that he considered himself king. He knew that and wasn't stupid
enough to ever state it publicly, which is why the gospels don't
record it.
So when you get to the end of one and learn that was the charge
against him, you think "huh??". If the gospel writers had been smart
enough, they could have connected the dots, but they weren't and
didn't.
Incidentally, that's another bit of evidence that he was a real
person.
The gospels have it that the Jewish Sanhedrin wanted
Jesus killed, not so much the Romans. Do you think
that's accurate?
Definitely, my anointed and referred to as a "mendacious prick."

I wish you knew something about life and yourself.




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"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven."
teslaStinker
2023-01-08 23:57:35 UTC
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Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom. That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so successful.But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is ludicrous, as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him to death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias, pulled roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of Jerusalem, around the same time Mark wrote his gospel.)
Do you really think Judas had a brain? He wanted the money not
Heaven. This is all about the wolf in sheep's clothing. Went to
hell for it also. He betrayed him for the silver. Same as your
pope. And Matthew is a very sharp cookie.

You just don't read God's stuff. Novus ordo crappie.
Same as you ignore the fact that Judas hung himself which is
breaking the fifth commandment


11 And Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked
him, saying: Art thou the king of the Jews? Jesus saith to him:
Thou sayest it. 12 And when he was accused by the chief priests
and ancients, he answered nothing. 13 Then Pilate saith to him:
Dost not thou hear how great testimonies they allege against
thee?

He still did not awnser. Would you, probably you would.....

Besides, this pretty messed up time we live in, even the original
I downloaded from a protestant site a Douay Rheims has had its
titles changed, and for certain, 8 books are missing, an
amongst those is a book where as the story of a Judas is in it,
so as you rotten bastards are just as God said you were, I cannot
look at it because you bastards deleted these parts of the real
Bible, meaning I cannot look it up easily. It's likely This
Judas killed himself yes. But more so the other true History of
a Judas in the 1st book of machines, not to mention them
deleting the book of Tobias, which shows praying to his saints
is just fine. Not to mention the other reasons for deleting the
other 6 books. I also have an Aramaic version the same way
claiming it's a Hebrew Aramaic. Its the same, words all changed
through out it and the same 8 books missing completely.....
Which only tells you, God's Bible has come very true. He said
they would do this. So much for your wonderful Library
idiots.

Daniel
Ted
2023-01-09 02:24:09 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 15:57:35 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker
Post by teslaStinker
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of
the Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.A
popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his
day in that he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as
Messiah and made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and
that's why it isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in
his twelve disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)But
none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in the
drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is ludicrous,
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow
Jesus.Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we
don't know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him
to death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.Btw,
about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias, pulled
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark wrote his gospel.)
Post by teslaStinker
Do you really think Judas had a brain? He wanted the money not
Heaven. This is all about the wolf in sheep's clothing. Went to
hell for it also. He betrayed him for the silver. Same as your
pope.
Dude, I thought you were Catholic.
Post by teslaStinker
You just don't read God's stuff. Novus ordo crappie.
Same as you ignore the fact that Judas hung himself which is
breaking the fifth commandment
According to Matthew, he hung himself. According to Luke, he
disemboweled.
Post by teslaStinker
11 And Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked
Thou sayest it. 12 And when he was accused by the chief priests
Dost not thou hear how great testimonies they allege against
thee?
He still did not awnser. Would you, probably you would.....
Nobody knows what the actual dialogue was. Nobody was there taking
notes.
Post by teslaStinker
Besides, this pretty messed up time we live in, even the original
I downloaded from a protestant site a Douay Rheims has had its
titles changed, and for certain, 8 books are missing, an
amongst those is a book where as the story of a Judas is in it,
so as you rotten bastards are just as God said you were, I cannot
look at it because you bastards deleted these parts of the real
Bible, meaning I cannot look it up easily. It's likely This
Judas killed himself yes. But more so the other true History of
a Judas in the 1st book of machines, not to mention them
deleting the book of Tobias, which shows praying to his saints
is just fine. Not to mention the other reasons for deleting the
other 6 books. I also have an Aramaic version the same way
claiming it's a Hebrew Aramaic. Its the same, words all changed
through out it and the same 8 books missing completely.....
Which only tells you, God's Bible has come very true. He said
they would do this. So much for your wonderful Library
idiots.
Daniel
Thanks Daniel.
Dr. Who
2023-01-09 01:13:23 UTC
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Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he
expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Post by Ted
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is ludicrous,
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him to
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias, pulled
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark wrote his gospel.)
Ted
2023-01-09 02:19:13 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he
expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Right.
Dr. Who
2023-01-09 04:18:21 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were
alone, he
Post by Dr. Who
expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Right.
I was attempting to show you the verse was different from what you said it
was.
Ted
2023-01-09 08:04:37 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah
and
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were
alone, he
Post by Dr. Who
expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Right.
I was attempting to show you the verse was different from what you said it
was.
Then you can't read.
Dr. Who
2023-01-09 08:49:59 UTC
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Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king
of the
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Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of
Man
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Post by Ted
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day
in
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that
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he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as
Messiah
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and
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made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's
why it
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isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
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disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they
were
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alone, he
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expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Right.
I was attempting to show you the verse was different from what you
said it
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was.
Then you can't read.
That is why I posted the verse, so that you can see it for yourself.
Ted
2023-01-09 09:15:28 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 17:13:23 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king
of the
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Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of
Man
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's
kingdom.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day
in
Post by Dr. Who
that
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Post by Ted
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as
Messiah
Post by Dr. Who
and
Post by Dr. Who
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made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's
why it
Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Ted
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his
twelve
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disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they
were
Post by Dr. Who
alone, he
Post by Dr. Who
expounded all things to his disciples.” (Mar 4:34, KJV)
Right.
I was attempting to show you the verse was different from what you
said it
Post by Dr. Who
was.
Then you can't read.
That is why I posted the verse, so that you
can see it for yourself.
Uh huh. I already knew what the verse said. If you can't see how it's
relevant, that ain't my problem.
pyotr filipivich
2023-01-09 07:01:04 UTC
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Post by Ted
Although nowhere in the gospels does Jesus claim to be king of the
Jews, that was the charge against him that got him killed.
A popular belief among first century Jews was that the Son of Man
predicted by Daniel would soon arrive and establish God's kingdom.
That's why preachers like Jesus and John the Baptist were so
successful.
But Jesus differed from the other apocalypticists of his day in that
he thought that when that happened, he'd be recognized as Messiah and
made king of Israel. He never said so publicly, and that's why it
isn't recorded in the gospels, but he confided it in his twelve
disciples, and that's what Judas betrayed. (Mark 4:34)
But none of the gospel authors happened to be the sharpest knife in
the drawer, and so, although they had sufficient data, none of them
figured that out. Instead, they lied about it (their standard MO) and
claimed that Judas betrayed Jesus's whereabouts. Which is ludicrous,
as you don't shell out thirty pieces of silver for information you
could get by hiring someone at minimum wage to follow Jesus.
Unfortunately, we don't know why Judas betrayed him, and we don't
know what Jesus thought would happen after Pilate sentenced him to
death. He was batshit psycho so it could've been anything.
Btw, about 30 years later, another Jesus, Jesus ben Ananias, pulled
roughly the same shit, and he too was brought before the Roman
governor for trial. This time, though, the governor recognized the
guy was crazy and so let him off the hook with just a flogging. (So
he continued preaching until he was killed later during the siege of
Jerusalem, around the same time Mark wrote his gospel.)
So let me see if I have this correct: The local authorities wanted
a sign stating why Jesus was being executed "That he claimed to be
King of the Jews." The Roman authorities wrote "Here is the King of
the Jews"
And Ted is worried that the Gospels do not record Jesus saying
"I'm the promised coming King."?
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."
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