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The Death of Christ
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Michael McLean
2023-04-08 01:04:50 UTC
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Even if Jesus died for the sins committed before he died, how does that
affect the sins committed after he died? How can anyone say that Jesus
died for the sins of non-Christians who do not believe he was savior or
messiah?
That are not bad questions, Viktorio!

Let's presume the Son of God did die for the sins of the whole world.

God does not need permission to be graceful and merciful. Would you
agree with that?

Jesus fulfilled the law of God perfectly; the perfect law of God which
condemned us all was removed. That is what renting the veil of the
temple in twain means: the law is gone. So, before and after sins don't
apply, because there is nothing to condemn a man.

Think of a highway where there is a speed sign of 60 miles an hour. God
removed the sign (the law), so speeding fines are now defunct.

The question is: what now applies?

I'll finish off.

A free choice.

To choose to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind for His great
grace and mercy and for life itself or shun Him.

What a man sows, so shall he reap.

Here is the thing, though, to love Him with all your heart, soul, and
mind you need Him to come spiritually into your life and transform you.
Only those who are serious, and sincerely and earnestly seek the Lord,
find Him.

Trust me, it is all or nothing; that is the kind of God He is. Would
you expect anything less? Would you expect your wife to be almost
faithful? Your friend? Your children? Your accountant?

No, that would NEVER do.




Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Michael McLean
2023-04-08 01:47:37 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Even if Jesus died for the sins committed before he died, how does that
affect the sins committed after he died? How can anyone say that Jesus
died for the sins of non-Christians who do not believe he was savior or
messiah?
That are not bad questions, Viktorio!
Let's presume the Son of God did die for the sins of the whole world.
God does not need permission to be graceful and merciful. Would you
agree with that?
Jesus fulfilled the law of God perfectly; the perfect law of God which
condemned us all was removed. That is what renting the veil of the
temple in twain means: the law is gone. So, before and after sins don't
apply, because there is nothing to condemn a man.
Think of a highway where there is a speed sign of 60 miles an hour. God
removed the sign (the law), so speeding fines are now defunct.
The question is: what now applies?
I'll finish off.
A free choice.
To choose to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind for His great
grace and mercy and for life itself or shun Him.
What a man sows, so shall he reap.
Here is the thing, though, to love Him with all your heart, soul, and
mind you need Him to come spiritually into your life and transform you.
Only those who are serious, and sincerely and earnestly seek the Lord,
find Him.
Trust me, it is all or nothing; that is the kind of God He is. Would
you expect anything less? Would you expect your wife to be almost
faithful? Your friend? Your children? Your accountant?
No, that would NEVER do.
Michael
Victor
UNDER JUDAISM, NOBODY CAN PAY FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER.
That sounds great, but that is all.

Then in Judaism you have no hope, because you can't possibly pay for the
sin you have committed and will commit.

Case in point: have you paid for your sins; the ones you know about, let
alone the ones you don't? Is your ledger clean and pure?

You are dealing with a holy God, Arthur!

Incidentally, even the regular Christians think they can pay for their
sin with good deeds. They'll talk about faith alone, and not of works,
but they go right out there and try to be good to save themselves.

With God, all things are possible, but working through your own
fallen-ness to obtain salvation is impossible. You can't save yourself
from what you are. God must do it.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets waited for the Messiah,
and they saw His day from the bosom of Abraham (the bosom of Judaism)
and rejoiced, for they knew they had no hope without Him.

You just has to ask, why do you wait for a Moshiach? Leave alone the
notion of the Lord Jesus being the Messiah. Why, why is Israel still
waiting for a Moshiach?

To save you, because you can't save yourself; not from the world, but
from yourselves, from what you are.


"UNDER JUDAISM, NOBODY CAN PAY FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER."

Are you saying you are able to pay for your own sins?

Are you worthy of the law of God?





Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
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