Discussion:
Genesis - Chapter One.
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Michael McLean
2023-02-04 22:52:08 UTC
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.

Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!

However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!

We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.

Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.

If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!

So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Ted
2023-02-04 23:51:44 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several times,
so I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days are
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they can be
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien notion
onto it.
Michael McLean
2023-02-05 00:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along,
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr.
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several times, so
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days are
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they can be
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien notion
onto it.
Yep.

You take it on what it says or you don't.

As I see it, it is that simple.





Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Ted
2023-02-05 01:02:39 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along,
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr.
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several times, so
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days are
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they can be
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien notion
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
Dr. Who
2023-02-05 08:44:49 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen
1:2, KJV)

No mention how the vast wasteland got here.

“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)

Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that time there
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science recently
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to determine
its origins or exactly what it was. ????

“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)

Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun and Moon
whereby man could determine calendar days.

'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.

However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Gen
1:1, KJV)

Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that man can
relate to"
Ted
2023-02-05 15:06:56 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that time there
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science recently
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to determine
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun and Moon
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Gen
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that man can
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of
the Bible is unparalleled here.

Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)

As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.

Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's becoming
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for
some time in the future.
Dr. Who
2023-02-05 19:42:54 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.


Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in Jerusalem, it
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it was just a
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the Dead Sea
scrolls.

Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information you posted
here.
Post by Michael McLean
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's becoming
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for
some time in the future.
Dr. Who
2023-02-05 20:08:01 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in Jerusalem, it
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it was just a
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the Dead Sea
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information you posted
here.
Post by Michael McLean
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's becoming
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for
some time in the future.


6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the Israelites by the
Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings. Mentioning them by the
name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Ted
2023-02-06 00:13:38 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in Jerusalem, it
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it was just a
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the Dead Sea
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information you posted
here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's becoming
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for
some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the Israelites by the
Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings. Mentioning them by the
name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be fabulous) in
pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be during
the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of Midian, not
Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
Dr. Who
2023-02-06 01:28:48 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He
did,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the
six days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to
claim they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing
an alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3,
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was
no Sun
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's
reign
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the
5th
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information
you posted
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's
becoming
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled
for
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the Israelites by
the
Post by Dr. Who
Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings. Mentioning
them by the
Post by Dr. Who
name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be fabulous) in
pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be during
the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of Midian, not
Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
It was at or near the time that the Israelites were wandering in the desert,
"Nomads of Yahweh"? At that time they had not entered into Canaan. 40 years
in the desert was a very long time, they also were known by the peoples in
that area, and also were under attack by some nations as they were wandering.
The in-laws of Moses were also people of that area.
Ted
2023-02-06 02:09:49 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which
clearly He
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
did,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the
six days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to
claim they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
an alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3,
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was
no Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
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that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
Post by Dr. Who
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reign
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and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
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Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
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Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
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Post by Michael McLean
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until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the
5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
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Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
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Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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Post by Michael McLean
you posted
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here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's
becoming
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being
scheduled
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
for
Post by Dr. Who
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some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the Israelites by
the
Post by Dr. Who
Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings. Mentioning
them by the
Post by Dr. Who
name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be fabulous) in
pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be
during
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the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of Midian, not
Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
It was at or near the time that the Israelites were wandering in the desert,
"Nomads of Yahweh"? At that time they had not entered into Canaan. 40 years
in the desert was a very long time, they also were known by the peoples in
that area, and also were under attack by some nations as they were wandering.
The in-laws of Moses were also people of that area.
Propp locates the Shasu in Midian, Redford in southern Edom. Almost
no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same thing.
Nobody I've ever read identifies them with Israel. Does Kramer? If
so, it doesn't surprise me that a christer would, as they tend to lie
when it supports their case.

As Redford and Propp both know, the Israelites desert wandering is
just part of the Exodus fable, i.e., it's bullshit. As I've already
explained, Exodus combines multiple other fables and traditions, the
desert wandering bs deriving from when the ancestors of a large
segment of the Israelite population were pastoral nomads.
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
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diabolical
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religious friends!
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
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and
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the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
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clearly He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
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is
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how
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that
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say
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something about God's nature from the very start!
A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation
for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on
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several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that
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six days
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to
claim they
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can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
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an alien
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notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet
at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there
was
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Post by Michael McLean
no Sun
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
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that
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Post by Dr. Who
man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
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Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
reign
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They
didn't
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believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
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and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
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Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during
the
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5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to
unify
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Post by Dr. Who
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC
it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
was just a
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Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
you posted
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Post by Dr. Who
here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's
becoming
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being
scheduled
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
for
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the Israelites
by
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings. Mentioning
them by the
Post by Dr. Who
name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be fabulous)
in
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be
during
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of Midian,
not
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
It was at or near the time that the Israelites were wandering in
the desert,
Post by Dr. Who
"Nomads of Yahweh"? At that time they had not entered into Canaan.
40 years
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in the desert was a very long time, they also were known by the
peoples in
Post by Dr. Who
that area, and also were under attack by some nations as they were
wandering.
Post by Dr. Who
The in-laws of Moses were also people of that area.
Propp locates the Shasu in Midian, Redford in southern Edom. Almost
no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same thing.
Nobody I've ever read identifies them with Israel. Does Kramer? If
so, it doesn't surprise me that a christer would, as they tend to lie
when it supports their case.
Yet you a "non Christer" when it supports your case would stipulate that,
"Almost no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same
thing." And all of their thinking is theoretical based on what?
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As Redford and Propp both know, the Israelites desert wandering is
just part of the Exodus fable, i.e., it's bullshit. As I've already
explained,
Yet you have no supporting evidence. Your years mentioned do not match up
with archeology.
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Exodus combines multiple other fables and traditions, the
desert wandering bs deriving from when the ancestors of a large
segment of the Israelite population were pastoral nomads.
Where is your evidence?

There is a genealogy from Abraham on. One that you can use to place historic
times and can match up with historical events.

Myths have no such proof.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole
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Bible.
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Post by Ted
It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It
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means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist
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and
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I
will
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pass
Post by Dr. Who
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along,
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Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the
heavens
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and
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the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
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Post by Ted
six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which
clearly He
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did,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a
walk in
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the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
park
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Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
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that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start!
A
Post by Dr. Who
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
for
Post by Dr. Who
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just
a
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Post by Dr. Who
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on
it
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several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that
the
Post by Dr. Who
six days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean.
Trying to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
claim they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
Post by Dr. Who
an alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
was
Post by Dr. Who
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
was
Post by Dr. Who
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
Post by Dr. Who
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet
at
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there
was
Post by Dr. Who
no Sun
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
Post by Dr. Who
reign
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They
didn't
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during
the
Post by Dr. Who
5th
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to
unify
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll
found, in
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century BC
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
it
Post by Dr. Who
was just a
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
Post by Dr. Who
you posted
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's
becoming
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being
scheduled
Post by Dr. Who
for
Post by Dr. Who
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some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the
Israelites
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by
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the
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Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings.
Mentioning
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them by the
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name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be
fabulous)
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in
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pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be
during
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the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of
Midian,
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not
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Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
It was at or near the time that the Israelites were wandering in
the desert,
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"Nomads of Yahweh"? At that time they had not entered into
Canaan.
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40 years
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in the desert was a very long time, they also were known by the
peoples in
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that area, and also were under attack by some nations as they were
wandering.
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The in-laws of Moses were also people of that area.
Propp locates the Shasu in Midian, Redford in southern Edom.
Almost
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no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same thing.
Nobody I've ever read identifies them with Israel. Does Kramer? If
so, it doesn't surprise me that a christer would, as they tend to lie
when it supports their case.
Yet you a "non Christer" when it supports your case would stipulate that,
"Almost no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same
thing." And all of their thinking is theoretical based on what?
You're claiming Propp and Redford aren't reputable? In fact, they're
both very highly regarded in academia. It's the liars you cite who
aren't.
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As Redford and Propp both know, the Israelites desert wandering is
just part of the Exodus fable, i.e., it's bullshit. As I've
already
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explained,
Yet you have no supporting evidence.
Supporting evidence that the Exodus is bullshit? LOL. You're joking,
right? If the Exodus were factual, evidence for it would abound.
Instead, it's completely lacking. The Exodus never happened.
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Your years mentioned do not match up
with archeology.
Of course they do. Otherwise I wouldn't have listed them. Which dates
are you disputing?
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Exodus combines multiple other fables and traditions, the
desert wandering bs deriving from when the ancestors of a large
segment of the Israelite population were pastoral nomads.
Where is your evidence?
There is a genealogy from Abraham on. One that you can use to place historic
times and can match up with historical events.
Myths have no such proof.
Biblical genealogies are hardly evidence, let alone "proof".
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through
the
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whole
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Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power
of my
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own. It
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds'
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high
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist
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and
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diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I
will
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to
you.
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Here is one now: God clearly created the
heavens
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and
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the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
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clearly He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a
walk in
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
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fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
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that
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say
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something about God's nature from the very
start!
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A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
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for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is
just
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a
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted
on
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it
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several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you
that
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the
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six days
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean.
Trying to
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claim they
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can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
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an alien
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notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face of
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the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face of
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the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed,
yet
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at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for
you,
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Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but
was
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unable to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called
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Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet
there
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was
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no Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and
the
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earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
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that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
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reign
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and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They
didn't
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believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with
God,
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etc.,
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and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
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with
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contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part
with
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their
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favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
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until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
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the
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5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's project
to
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unify
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their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
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with
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
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Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll
found, in
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Jerusalem, it
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predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century BC
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it
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew
than
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the Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
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here.
Incidentally, other results of that project included
Satan's
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becoming
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God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being
scheduled
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for
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some time in the future.
http://youtu.be/pGEOZ5YI22M
6+ minute video of the oldest known reference to the
Israelites
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by
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the
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Egyptians of them traveling in the desert wanderings.
Mentioning
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them by the
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name of their God, 15th Century BC.
Yes, Kramer cites Redford (who, btw, knows Exodus to be
fabulous)
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in
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pointing to the earliest known mention of Yahweh known to be
during
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the 14th century BCE. But geographically in the area of
Midian,
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not
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Israel. Again, how does this refute anything I said?
It was at or near the time that the Israelites were wandering in
the desert,
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"Nomads of Yahweh"? At that time they had not entered into
Canaan.
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40 years
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in the desert was a very long time, they also were known by the
peoples in
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that area, and also were under attack by some nations as they
were
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wandering.
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The in-laws of Moses were also people of that area.
Propp locates the Shasu in Midian, Redford in southern Edom.
Almost
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no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the same
thing.
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Nobody I've ever read identifies them with Israel. Does Kramer? If
so, it doesn't surprise me that a christer would, as they tend to
lie
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when it supports their case.
Yet you a "non Christer" when it supports your case would stipulate
that,
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"Almost no difference, geographically, so they're both saying the
same
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thing." And all of their thinking is theoretical based on what?
You're claiming Propp and Redford aren't reputable? In fact, they're
both very highly regarded in academia. It's the liars you cite who
aren't.
Yes, they are, for their theories. Not fact.
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As Redford and Propp both know, the Israelites desert wandering is
just part of the Exodus fable, i.e., it's bullshit. As I've
already
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explained,
Yet you have no supporting evidence.
Supporting evidence that the Exodus is bullshit? LOL. You're joking,
right? If the Exodus were factual, evidence for it would abound.
Instead, it's completely lacking. The Exodus never happened.
No, your evidence that backs up your claims. You were shown evidence from the
Egyptians of the "Nomads of Yahweh" that dated near the time they were
wandering about in the desert for forty years. That happened before they took
over the land of Canaan. You saw the evidence of Joseph in Egypt. Had you
bothered to investigate you would have seen the empty tombs of Joseph and his
eleven brothers, emptied so as to bring their bones to the promised land.

All you academic friends had were theories from their studies of Faith tales,
and the similarity of the various ones that all appeared to have similar and
or parallel plot lines. Thus creating a base myth out of a variety of them,
and those you appear to have chosen to believe rather than existent scripture
from the time of Moses through to John.

Not even Plato has such a following regarding his philosophy and religion.
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Your years mentioned do not match up
with archeology.
Of course they do. Otherwise I wouldn't have listed them. Which dates
are you disputing?
The reasoning behind all the conjectures you have presented.
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Exodus combines multiple other fables and traditions, the
desert wandering bs deriving from when the ancestors of a large
segment of the Israelite population were pastoral nomads.
Where is your evidence?
There is a genealogy from Abraham on. One that you can use to place
historic
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times and can match up with historical events.
Myths have no such proof.
Biblical genealogies are hardly evidence, let alone "proof".
Really? Where is your timeline of events? And where is the archeology that
supports the timelines? Where and who is the God behind your chosen
timelines?

And on a personal note, while not trying to invade your space, Who was the
God of your youth? Was it a god taught to you by the religion of your youth
or was it the literal God of the Bible? Are you aware of the differences
between them?
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
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Post by Ted
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
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Post by Ted
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
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Post by Ted
in
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Post by Ted
six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
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Post by Ted
for
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Post by Ted
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
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Post by Ted
how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
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Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
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something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
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Post by Ted
Mr.
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Post by Ted
14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
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Post by Ted
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
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Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
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Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
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Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
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Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it was just a
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the Dead Sea
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information you posted
here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author of the
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the Adam and
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to the 7th
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
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Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
It
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
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Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He
did,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six
days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an
alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable
to
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no
Sun
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge
of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's
reign
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the
5th
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the
Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the information
you posted
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author of the
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the Adam and
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to the 7th
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something else?
Ted
2023-02-06 02:14:20 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
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(in
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
It
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He
did,
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
that
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six
days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an
alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable
to
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no
Sun
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality
that
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
of
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's
reign
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc.,
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the
5th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than the
Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
you posted
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author of the
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the Adam and
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to the 7th
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something else?
I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor ambiguous.
Dr. Who
2023-02-06 04:17:57 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
It
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
did,
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
that
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the
six
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to
claim
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing
an
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3,
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
to
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was
no
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Sun
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality
that
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
of
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's
reign
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account compatible
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
5th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to
unify
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
their Judean province and make its religion more compatible
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
Post by Dr. Who
fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
you posted
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author of the
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the Adam
and
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to the
7th
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something else?
I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor ambiguous.
Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years after the fact.

"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their favorite
myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until they were
united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE as part of
the Persian government's project to unify their Judean province and make its
religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."

That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were shown.
Ted
2023-02-06 05:46:39 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 11:42:54 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:44:49 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:17:05 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own.
Post by Dr. Who
It
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which
clearly
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
He
Post by Dr. Who
did,
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very
start! A
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the
six
Post by Dr. Who
days
Post by Dr. Who
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to
claim
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they
Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Ted
can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing
an
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alien
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notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
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the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3,
KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at
that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable
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to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was
no
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Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality
that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
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of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
reign
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with God,
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
5th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to
unify
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Post by Dr. Who
their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found, in
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century BC it
was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew than
the
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Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
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here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author of the
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the Adam
and
Post by Dr. Who
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to the
7th
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century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something else?
I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
Post by Dr. Who
Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years after the fact.
"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their favorite
myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until they were
united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE as part of
the Persian government's project to unify their Judean province and make its
religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is English not
your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.

There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries before
then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits even
before that.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through
the
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whole
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Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of
my
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own.
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It
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet
in
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high
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
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diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I
will
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which
clearly
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He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a
walk
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in
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
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fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
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say
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something about God's nature from the very
start! A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation
for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is
just a
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted
on it
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several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that
the
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six
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days
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying
to
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Post by Michael McLean
claim
Post by Dr. Who
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
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Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
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Post by Michael McLean
an
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alien
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
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Post by Michael McLean
upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of
Post by Dr. Who
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the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
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Post by Michael McLean
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of
Post by Dr. Who
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the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed,
yet at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable
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to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called
Post by Dr. Who
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Night.
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Post by Dr. Who
And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there
was
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no
Post by Dr. Who
Sun
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
Post by Dr. Who
of
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
reign
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They
didn't
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
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Post by Dr. Who
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with
God,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
5th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's project to
unify
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found,
in
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Jerusalem, it
Post by Dr. Who
predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th century
BC it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of Hebrew
than
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Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
Dead Sea
Post by Dr. Who
scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
Post by Dr. Who
here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the author
of the
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the
Adam
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Post by Michael McLean
and
Post by Dr. Who
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
7th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something
else?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
Post by Dr. Who
Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years after the
fact.
Post by Dr. Who
"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite
Post by Dr. Who
myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until they
were
Post by Dr. Who
united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE as
part of
Post by Dr. Who
the Persian government's project to unify their Judean province and
make its
Post by Dr. Who
religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were
shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is English not
your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.
You are claiming something that never happened and was only theorized by
modern man. They did not exist side by side.

What is really strange about all this is what you say you choose to believe
and what you chose to reject. For in your understanding they are both myths.
Post by Michael McLean
There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries before
then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits even
before that.
The Torah was written about the 13th century BC,
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Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone
through
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Post by Michael McLean
the
Post by Dr. Who
whole
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Bible.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
It
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of
my
Post by Dr. Who
own.
Post by Dr. Who
It
Post by Dr. Who
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
you are
Post by Michael McLean
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet
in
Post by Dr. Who
high
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1
yesterday. I
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
will
Post by Dr. Who
pass
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
along
Post by Michael McLean
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
in
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
six
Post by Michael McLean
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which
clearly
Post by Dr. Who
He
Post by Dr. Who
did,
Post by Dr. Who
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
doing it
Post by Michael McLean
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a
walk
Post by Dr. Who
in
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
park
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
for
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
fascinating
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
is
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
how
Post by Michael McLean
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
say
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
something about God's nature from the very
start! A
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
glorious
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
God!
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
for
Post by Dr. Who
you;
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
sorry,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Mr.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
14
Post by Michael McLean
Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is
just a
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
by-the-by.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have
posted
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
on it
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
several
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
times, so
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that
the
Post by Dr. Who
six
Post by Dr. Who
days
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying
to
Post by Dr. Who
claim
Post by Dr. Who
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
Post by Dr. Who
an
Post by Dr. Who
alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
Post by Dr. Who
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
waters.” (Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was
Post by Dr. Who
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
Post by Dr. Who
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
waters. And God
Post by Dr. Who
said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
Post by Dr. Who
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Light and darkness separated after light was formed,
yet at
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
time there
Post by Dr. Who
was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you,
Science
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
recently
Post by Dr. Who
discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was
unable
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
determine
Post by Dr. Who
its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called
Post by Dr. Who
Night.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
And the
Post by Dr. Who
evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
KJV)
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there
was
Post by Dr. Who
no
Post by Dr. Who
Sun
Post by Dr. Who
and Moon
Post by Dr. Who
whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and
the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
earth.”
Post by Dr. Who
(Gen
Post by Dr. Who
1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
that
Post by Dr. Who
man can
Post by Dr. Who
relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
Post by Dr. Who
of
Post by Dr. Who
the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
reign
Post by Dr. Who
and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They
didn't
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact with
God,
Post by Dr. Who
etc.,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
Post by Dr. Who
with
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part
with
Post by Dr. Who
their
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
5th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE as part of the Persian government's
project to
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unify
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their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
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with
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll found,
in
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Jerusalem, it
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predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century
Post by Dr. Who
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BC it
Post by Dr. Who
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of
Hebrew
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Post by Michael McLean
than
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the
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Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
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here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the
author
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of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and the
Adam
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and
Post by Dr. Who
Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date to
the
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7th
Post by Dr. Who
century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I said?
When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something
else?
Post by Dr. Who
I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
Post by Dr. Who
Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years after the
fact.
Post by Dr. Who
"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite
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myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until they
were
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united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE as
part of
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the Persian government's project to unify their Judean province and
make its
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religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were
shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is English not
your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.
You are claiming something that never
happened and was only theorized by
modern man. They did not exist side by
side.
Read Numbers 25 and explain to us how the Moabite women morphed into
Midianite women.

In fact, there were two separate Torahs. Each had its own supporters
and detractors. Jeremiah, for example, was no fan of the later one,
as he called it "the lying pen of scribes". (Jeremiah 8:8)

They weren't combined until the 5th century BCE when Ezra brought
them from Persia the Torah in its final form. That's why Ezra and
Moses are both known as law-givers.
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What is really strange about all this is what you say you choose to believe
and what you chose to reject. For in your understanding they are both myths.
Post by Michael McLean
There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries before
then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits even
before that.
The Torah was written about the 13th century BC,
LOL. Yeah, about 2800 years after the Earth was created, right? Very
intelligent scholars dedicate their careers to studying this stuff.
And that's where I get my info. None of them believe the Torah was
written in the 13th century BCE.

They don't keep their research secret, either. You can actually read
how they've arrived at their conclusions. Unlike fundies, they have
no ulterior motive compelling them to lie. Many of them are
Christians, but not all Christians think their god requires
dishonesty. That's just a christer thing.

Oh, and you can type your answer to the Numbers 25 question here:
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The Lord has asked me to take someone
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the
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whole
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Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power
of
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my
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own.
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It
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds'
feet
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in
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high
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
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diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1
yesterday. I
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will
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to
you.
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Here is one now: God clearly created the
heavens
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and the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
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He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is
a
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walk
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in
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
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fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the
dark.
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Doesn't
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that
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say
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something about God's nature from the very
start! A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
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for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is
just a
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have
posted
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on it
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several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you
that
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the
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six
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days
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean.
Trying
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to
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claim
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they
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can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
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an
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alien
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notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face
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of
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the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face
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of
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the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed,
yet at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for
you,
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Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent,
but was
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unable
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to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called
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Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen
1:5,
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KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet
there
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was
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no
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Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven
and
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the
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earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
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that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
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of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during
Hezekiah's
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reign
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and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth.
They
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didn't
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believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact
with
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God,
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etc.,
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and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
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with
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contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to
part
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with
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their
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favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
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until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
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the
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5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's
project to
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unify
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their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
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with
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Dr. Who
Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll
found,
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in
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Jerusalem, it
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predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century
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Post by Michael McLean
BC it
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of
Hebrew
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Post by Michael McLean
than
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the
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Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
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here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the
author
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of the
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OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and
the
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Adam
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and
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Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date
to
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the
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7th
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century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I
said?
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When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean something
else?
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I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
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Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years after the
fact.
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"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
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Post by Michael McLean
favorite
Post by Dr. Who
myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until
they
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were
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united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE
as
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Post by Michael McLean
part of
Post by Dr. Who
the Persian government's project to unify their Judean province
and
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Post by Michael McLean
make its
Post by Dr. Who
religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were
shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is English not
your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.
You are claiming something that never
happened and was only theorized by
modern man. They did not exist side by
side.
Read Numbers 25 and explain to us how the Moabite women morphed into
Midianite women.
In fact, there were two separate Torahs. Each had its own supporters
and detractors. Jeremiah, for example, was no fan of the later one,
as he called it "the lying pen of scribes". (Jeremiah 8:8)
They weren't combined until the 5th century BCE when Ezra brought
them from Persia the Torah in its final form. That's why Ezra and
Moses are both known as law-givers.
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What is really strange about all this is what you say you choose to
believe
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and what you chose to reject. For in your understanding they are
both myths.
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There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries
before
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then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits
even
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before that.
The Torah was written about the 13th century BC,
LOL. Yeah, about 2800 years after the Earth was created, right? Very
intelligent scholars dedicate their careers to studying this stuff.
And that's where I get my info. None of them believe the Torah was
written in the 13th century BCE.
They don't keep their research secret, either. You can actually read
how they've arrived at their conclusions. Unlike fundies, they have
no ulterior motive compelling them to lie. Many of them are
Christians, but not all Christians think their god requires
dishonesty. That's just a christer thing.
Ok, here T'is. Your supposition regarding chapter 25 is ridiculous. No true
scholar would have suggested such idiocy as that would show their ignorance
of all the circumstances around that chapter. First off you would be taking a
gaggle of Moabite women and morphing them into a single Midianitish woman. To
do so would show the lack of knowledge surrounding those events.

Secondly, regarding the Israelites and the Torah. Those who copied the Torah
made very sure that every letter and symbol were the exact image of what was
copied so as to exclude any possibility of error in those days and for
centuries following. To the point that they had mathematical standards that
must be met, exactly. If the standards were not met, in those days, then it
must be discarded and a new fresh one done.

For these reasons Jeremiah would know when scribes were lying, as in Her 8:8,
for that reason looked at what happened to them in the following verses.
God's wrath was dealt.

Your dedicated scholars would be considered lacking by the standards of true
scholars who place evidentiary truth over personal agendas.

This is why agenda oriented people are tripped up when they err and are
opposed to well established fact.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone
through
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the
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whole
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Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power
of
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my
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own.
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It
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds'
feet
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in
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high
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
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diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1
yesterday. I
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will
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to
you.
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Here is one now: God clearly created the
heavens
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and the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
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clearly
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He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is
a
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walk
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in
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.
What's
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fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the
dark.
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Doesn't
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that
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say
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something about God's nature from the very
start! A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
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for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a
contradiction?That is
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just a
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have
posted
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on it
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Post by Dr. Who
several
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Post by Ted
times, so
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Post by Ted
I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you
that
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the
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six
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days
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
are
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Post by Ted
literal days. That's what the words mean.
Trying
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to
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claim
Post by Dr. Who
they
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
can be
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Post by Ted
interpreted as longer periods of time is just
forcing
Post by Dr. Who
an
Post by Dr. Who
alien
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
notion
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face
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of
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the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
Post by Dr. Who
was
Post by Dr. Who
upon
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the
face
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of
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the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen
1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was formed,
yet at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for
you,
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Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent,
but was
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unable
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to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called
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Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen
1:5,
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KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet
there
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was
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no
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Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven
and
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the
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earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The
reality
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that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your
knowledge
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of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests
during
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Hezekiah's
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reign
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and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth.
They
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didn't
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believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact
with
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God,
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etc.,
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and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
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with
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contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to
part
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with
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their
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favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for
centuries
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until they were united into one volume by Ezra et al
during
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the
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5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's
project to
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unify
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their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
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with
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
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Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll
found,
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in
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Jerusalem, it
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predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century
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BC it
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of
Hebrew
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than
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the
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Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider the
information
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you posted
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here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the
author
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of the
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OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE and
the
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Adam
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and
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Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls date
to
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the
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7th
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century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I
said?
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When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean
something
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else?
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I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
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Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years
after the
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fact.
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"As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
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favorite
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myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until
they
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were
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united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century BCE
as
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part of
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the Persian government's project to unify their Judean
province
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and
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make its
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religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you were
shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is
English not
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your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.
You are claiming something that never
happened and was only theorized by
modern man. They did not exist side by
side.
Read Numbers 25 and explain to us how the Moabite women morphed into
Midianite women.
In fact, there were two separate Torahs. Each had its own
supporters
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and detractors. Jeremiah, for example, was no fan of the later one,
as he called it "the lying pen of scribes". (Jeremiah 8:8)
They weren't combined until the 5th century BCE when Ezra brought
them from Persia the Torah in its final form. That's why Ezra and
Moses are both known as law-givers.
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What is really strange about all this is what you say you
choose to
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believe
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and what you chose to reject. For in your understanding they are
both myths.
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There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries
before
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then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits
even
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before that.
The Torah was written about the 13th century BC,
LOL. Yeah, about 2800 years after the Earth was created, right? Very
intelligent scholars dedicate their careers to studying this
stuff.
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And that's where I get my info. None of them believe the Torah was
written in the 13th century BCE.
They don't keep their research secret, either. You can actually read
how they've arrived at their conclusions. Unlike fundies, they have
no ulterior motive compelling them to lie. Many of them are
Christians, but not all Christians think their god requires
dishonesty. That's just a christer thing.
Ok, here T'is. Your supposition regarding chapter 25 is ridiculous. No true
scholar would have suggested such idiocy as that would show their ignorance
of all the circumstances around that chapter. First off you would be taking a
gaggle of Moabite women and morphing them into a single Midianitish woman. To
do so would show the lack of knowledge surrounding those events.
Now you're revealing your ignorance. It's clear that the slut in the
tent was just cited as an example. See verses 25:17 and 31:16.
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Secondly, regarding the Israelites and the Torah. Those who copied the Torah
made very sure that every letter and symbol were the exact image of what was
copied so as to exclude any possibility of error in those days and for
centuries following. To the point that they had mathematical
standards that
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must be met, exactly. If the standards were not met, in those days, then it
must be discarded and a new fresh one done.
I don't doubt it.
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For these reasons Jeremiah would know
when scribes were lying,
Maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. There were two completely separate
Torahs and Jeremiah apparently didn't like anything at all about one
of them. I wasn't referring to lack of fidelity in transcription.
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as in Her 8:8,
for that reason looked at what happened to them in the following verses.
God's wrath was dealt.
Your dedicated scholars would be considered lacking by the
standards of true
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scholars who place evidentiary truth over personal agendas.
This is why agenda oriented people are tripped up when they err and are
opposed to well established fact.
They're the scholars in the top universities and seminaries. And
you're claiming they're "agenda oriented"? LOL. Buncha stupid
liberals, right? :-)
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The Lord has asked me to take someone
through
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the
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whole
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Bible.
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It
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power
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of
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my
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It
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means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no
hinds'
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feet
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in
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high
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places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my
atheist and
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diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1
yesterday. I
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will
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pass
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along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful
to
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you.
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Here is one now: God clearly created the
heavens
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and the
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earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the
story.
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If He can create a universe and you,
which
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clearly
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He
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did,
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then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6
days is
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a
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walk
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in
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the
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park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His
mouth.
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What's
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fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the
dark.
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Doesn't
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that
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say
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something about God's nature from the
very
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start! A
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glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant
creation
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for
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you;
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sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a
contradiction?That is
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just a
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by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have
posted
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on it
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several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with
you
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that
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the
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six
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days
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are
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literal days. That's what the words mean.
Trying
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to
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claim
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they
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can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is
just
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forcing
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an
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alien
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notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the
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face
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of
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the
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waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness
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was
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upon
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the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the
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face
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of
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the
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waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
(Gen
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1:2-3,
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KJV)
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Light and darkness separated after light was
formed,
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yet at
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that
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time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery
for
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you,
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Science
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recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent,
but was
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unable
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to
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determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness
he
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called
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Night.
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And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.”
(Gen
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1:5,
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KJV)
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Notice, here is where time began "first Day",
yet
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there
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was
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no
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Sun
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and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the
heaven
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and
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the
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earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical.
"The
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reality
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that
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man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as
your
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knowledge
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of
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the Bible is unparalleled here.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests
during
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Hezekiah's
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reign
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and was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth.
They
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didn't
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believe in talking animals, angels, direct contact
with
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God,
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etc.,
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and they endeavored to make their creation account
compatible
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with
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contemporary natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to
part
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with
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their
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favorite myths and so the two existed side by
side for
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centuries
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until they were united into one volume by Ezra et
al
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during
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the
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5th
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century BCE as part of the Persian government's
project to
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unify
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their Judean province and make its religion more
compatible
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with
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Zoroastrianism.
http://youtu.be/X74dr58e6T8
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Short 17 minute video of the oldest biblical scroll
found,
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in
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Jerusalem, it
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predates what you wrote by 2 centuries, to the 7th
century
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BC it
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was just a
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fragment but it was written in an older version of
Hebrew
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than
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the
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Dead Sea
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scrolls.
Based on this evidence you may want to reconsider
the
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information
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you posted
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here.
Read what I wrote, Robert. Of course Ezra wasn't the
author
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of the
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OT. Genesis 1 was written during the 8th century BCE
and
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the
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Adam
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and
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Eve myth predated it by centuries. Barkay's scrolls
date
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to
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the
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7th
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century BCE. So how does your video refute anything I
said?
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When you stated 5th century BC did you really mean
something
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else?
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I just reviewed what I'd written. It's neither cryptic nor
ambiguous.
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Very good, then you admit your info is dated 200 years
after the
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fact.
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"As always, though, there were those who refused to part
with
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their
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favorite
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myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries
until
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they
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were
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united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century
BCE
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as
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part of
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the Persian government's project to unify their Judean
province
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and
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make its
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religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism."
That, my friend, is three hundred years later than what you
were
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shown.
Robert, what is it that you think those words mean? Is
English not
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your first language? C'mon, I know you're not retarded.
You are claiming something that never
happened and was only theorized by
modern man. They did not exist side by
side.
Read Numbers 25 and explain to us how the Moabite women morphed
into
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Midianite women.
In fact, there were two separate Torahs. Each had its own
supporters
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and detractors. Jeremiah, for example, was no fan of the later
one,
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as he called it "the lying pen of scribes". (Jeremiah 8:8)
They weren't combined until the 5th century BCE when Ezra brought
them from Persia the Torah in its final form. That's why Ezra and
Moses are both known as law-givers.
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What is really strange about all this is what you say you
choose to
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believe
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and what you chose to reject. For in your understanding they are
both myths.
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There's no question about it, the Torah was written centuries
before
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then, much of it as far back as the 10th century and some bits
even
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before that.
The Torah was written about the 13th century BC,
LOL. Yeah, about 2800 years after the Earth was created, right?
Very
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intelligent scholars dedicate their careers to studying this
stuff.
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And that's where I get my info. None of them believe the Torah was
written in the 13th century BCE.
They don't keep their research secret, either. You can actually
read
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how they've arrived at their conclusions. Unlike fundies, they
have
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no ulterior motive compelling them to lie. Many of them are
Christians, but not all Christians think their god requires
dishonesty. That's just a christer thing.
Ok, here T'is. Your supposition regarding chapter 25 is ridiculous.
No true
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scholar would have suggested such idiocy as that would show their
ignorance
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of all the circumstances around that chapter. First off you would
be taking a
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gaggle of Moabite women and morphing them into a single Midianitish
woman. To
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do so would show the lack of knowledge surrounding those events.
Now you're revealing your ignorance. It's clear that the slut in the
tent was just cited as an example. See verses 25:17 and 31:16.
Who is saying that, you or your "experts"?

First off the primary example was the man as far as judgment was concerned,
they were both stacked to the ground by a javelin. And so the judgment on
Israel ceased at 24,000 men dead. The guy and his chick brazenly walked by
the group of Israelites and the priest in front of everyone, flaunting what
they were going to do, and they were terminated by the son of a priest, on
the spot. The orders were already out to cut off the heads of the men and set
their faces to the sun. God does not take kindly to sexual sins.

Where, BTW, do your experts concern themselves with this issue?
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Secondly, regarding the Israelites and the Torah. Those who copied
the Torah
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made very sure that every letter and symbol were the exact image of
what was
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copied so as to exclude any possibility of error in those days and
for
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centuries following. To the point that they had mathematical
standards that
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must be met, exactly. If the standards were not met, in those days,
then it
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must be discarded and a new fresh one done.
I don't doubt it.
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For these reasons Jeremiah would know
when scribes were lying,
Maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. There were two completely separate
Torahs and Jeremiah apparently didn't like anything at all about one
of them. I wasn't referring to lack of fidelity in transcription.
Yet as I said, Jeremiah dismissed the one because he knew of the correct one
via his studies. So the one in error stood out like a sore thumb. You see,
the Israelites made it a rule to memorize the entire thing to that it would
be in their hearts always, so as to guide them in their lives and also so
that when they were taken or captured to live elsewhere the word would always
be in their heart. The Jews that followed God in those days would be
considered Zealots by todays standards. As strong in belief and knowledge as
the strictest Orthodox Jew.
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as in Jer 8:8,
for that reason looked at what happened to them in the following
verses.
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God's wrath was dealt.
Your dedicated scholars would be considered lacking by the
standards of true
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scholars who place evidentiary truth over personal agendas.
This is why agenda oriented people are tripped up when they err and
are
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opposed to well established fact.
They're the scholars in the top universities and seminaries. And
you're claiming they're "agenda oriented"? LOL. Buncha stupid
liberals, right? :-)
If you are only repeating what they said, then yes, by all means. Why else
would their understanding of printed text be so shallow? Liberal or not would
have nothing to do with it. Being Godly or UnGodly would have a lot to do
with it.
Ted
2023-02-07 05:07:07 UTC
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Now you're revealing your ignorance. It's clear that the slut in the
tent was just cited as an example. See verses 25:17 and 31:16.
Who is saying that, you or your "experts"?
Did you read the verses I cited?
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First off the primary example was the man as far as judgment was concerned,
they were both stacked to the ground by a javelin. And so the
judgment on
Post by Dr. Who
Israel ceased at 24,000 men dead. The guy and his chick brazenly walked by
the group of Israelites and the priest in front of everyone,
flaunting what
Post by Dr. Who
they were going to do, and they were terminated by the son of a priest, on
the spot. The orders were already out to cut off the heads of the men and set
their faces to the sun. God does not take kindly to sexual sins.
Where, BTW, do your experts concern themselves with this issue?
My experts? They're employed by universities, not by me.

This is subtle polemic against Moses. Notice that he just stood by
while the adulterous couple entered the tent. It was up to Aaron's
grandson Phinehas (an Egyptian name, btw) to mete out justice. And
the major sin here wasn't illicit sex, but rather a non-priest's
entry into to the Tabernacle. Immediate capital punishment was what
the law demanded. (The Holy of Holies in the later Temple included
the Tabernacle.)

Why on earth, you might ask, would the author want to take Moses down
a notch. Which is also the reason the Moabite sluts became Midianite,
the subtle implication being that Zipporah may have been a slut.
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Maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. There were two completely
separate
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Torahs and Jeremiah apparently didn't like anything at all about one
of them. I wasn't referring to lack of fidelity in transcription.
Yet as I said, Jeremiah dismissed the one because he knew of the correct one
via his studies. So the one in error stood out like a sore thumb. You see,
LOL. Back then, it was a separate document. But it now comprises
about forty percent of the Pentateuch. And you're saying it's "in
error"? You're right about Jeremiah. He certainly thought it was.
Post by Dr. Who
the Israelites made it a rule to memorize the entire thing to that it would
be in their hearts always, so as to guide them in their lives and also so
that when they were taken or captured to live elsewhere the word would always
be in their heart. The Jews that followed God in those days would be
considered Zealots by todays standards. As strong in belief and knowledge as
the strictest Orthodox Jew.
Post by Ted
They're the scholars in the top universities and seminaries. And
you're claiming they're "agenda oriented"? LOL. Buncha stupid
liberals, right? :-)
If you are only repeating what they said, then yes, by all means. Why else
would their understanding of printed text be so shallow? Liberal or not would
have nothing to do with it. Being Godly or UnGodly would have a lot to do
with it.
Oh I see. The most reputable Bible scholars are ungodly and so can't
be trusted. Ditto for the peer reviewed journals in which they
publish. Now I understand.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 05:52:26 UTC
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Now you're revealing your ignorance. It's clear that the slut in
the
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tent was just cited as an example. See verses 25:17 and 31:16.
Who is saying that, you or your "experts"?
Did you read the verses I cited?
Yes, I did.
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First off the primary example was the man as far as judgment was
concerned,
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they were both stacked to the ground by a javelin. And so the
judgment on
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Israel ceased at 24,000 men dead. The guy and his chick brazenly
walked by
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the group of Israelites and the priest in front of everyone,
flaunting what
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they were going to do, and they were terminated by the son of a
priest, on
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the spot. The orders were already out to cut off the heads of the
men and set
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their faces to the sun. God does not take kindly to sexual sins.
Where, BTW, do your experts concern themselves with this issue?
My experts? They're employed by universities, not by me.
Yet you justified them and claimed them to be something
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This is subtle polemic against Moses. Notice that he just stood by
while the adulterous couple entered the tent. It was up to Aaron's
grandson Phinehas (an Egyptian name, btw) to mete out justice.
WOW, do you ever read into things without understanding. While Moses was
speaking with the judges of Israel this took place, yes, in front of him.
NOTE it was while he was already busy explaining to them what the Lord told
him to do. Here you expect him to stop what he was doing and be judge jury
and executioner? Johnny on the spot and micro managing?
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And
the major sin here wasn't illicit sex, but rather a non-priest's
entry into to the Tabernacle. Immediate capital punishment was what
the law demanded. (The Holy of Holies in the later Temple included
the Tabernacle.)
Now You are shifting goal posts. Why?
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Why on earth, you might ask, would the author want to take Moses down
a notch. Which is also the reason the Moabite sluts became Midianite,
the subtle implication being that Zipporah may have been a slut.
What has that to do with your goal post shifting? Are you just now actually
reading Numbers to see what the various topics were?

Or is all this as was spoken and taught by your experts?
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Maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. There were two completely
separate
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Torahs and Jeremiah apparently didn't like anything at all about
one
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of them. I wasn't referring to lack of fidelity in transcription.
Yet as I said, Jeremiah dismissed the one because he knew of the
correct one
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via his studies. So the one in error stood out like a sore thumb.
You see,
LOL. Back then, it was a separate document. But it now comprises
about forty percent of the Pentateuch. And you're saying it's "in
error"? You're right about Jeremiah. He certainly thought it was.
No, I said what Jeremiah was speaking about in relationship to the bad and
sinful copies made of the original was what was wrong. He did not think it
was, he knew what was correct and what wasn't. Just how many irons do you
want to toss into this fire?
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the Israelites made it a rule to memorize the entire thing to that
it would
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be in their hearts always, so as to guide them in their lives and
also so
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that when they were taken or captured to live elsewhere the word
would always
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be in their heart. The Jews that followed God in those days would
be
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considered Zealots by todays standards. As strong in belief and
knowledge as
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the strictest Orthodox Jew.
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They're the scholars in the top universities and seminaries. And
you're claiming they're "agenda oriented"? LOL. Buncha stupid
liberals, right? :-)
If you are only repeating what they said, then yes, by all means.
Why else
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would their understanding of printed text be so shallow? Liberal or
not would
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have nothing to do with it. Being Godly or UnGodly would have a lot
to do
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with it.
Oh I see. The most reputable Bible scholars are ungodly and so can't
be trusted. Ditto for the peer reviewed journals in which they
publish. Now I understand.
What makes you think the guys you mentioned were the most reputable? What
makes them reputable? I know of a lot of atheists, agnostics, and other
non-believers who got doctorates in theology, and none of then knew God. To
God they are not knowledgeable or to be trusted. He even speaks against such
things as the mind of men.
Ted
2023-02-07 08:13:03 UTC
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Did you read the verses I cited?
Yes, I did.
Then you know I'm right.
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This is subtle polemic against Moses. Notice that he just stood by
while the adulterous couple entered the tent. It was up to Aaron's
grandson Phinehas (an Egyptian name, btw) to mete out justice.
WOW, do you ever read into things without understanding.
LOL.
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While Moses was
speaking with the judges of Israel this took place, yes, in front of him.
NOTE it was while he was already busy explaining to them what the Lord told
him to do. Here you expect him to stop what he was doing and be judge jury
and executioner? Johnny on the spot and micro managing?
LOL.
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Post by Ted
And
the major sin here wasn't illicit sex, but rather a non-priest's
entry into to the Tabernacle. Immediate capital punishment was what
the law demanded. (The Holy of Holies in the later Temple included
the Tabernacle.)
Now You are shifting goal posts. Why?
Dammit, Robert, you keep disappointing me. Goal post shifting is
changing subjects to avoid arguing the point. What I did was merely
provide additional information. The entire addendum was inserted, and
could have been omitted, without altering the flow a whit.
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Why on earth, you might ask, would the author want to take Moses down
a notch. Which is also the reason the Moabite sluts became
Midianite,
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Post by Ted
the subtle implication being that Zipporah may have been a slut.
What has that to do with your goal post shifting?
I wasn't goal post shifting. Again, I was providing additional info.
Do you prefer curt monosyllabic grunts? Or is this a conversation.
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Are you just now actually
reading Numbers to see what the various topics were?
Dude, it's you who were completely ignorant of what happened in
chapter 25, not me.
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Post by Ted
LOL. Back then, it was a separate document. But it now comprises
about forty percent of the Pentateuch. And you're saying it's "in
error"? You're right about Jeremiah. He certainly thought it was.
No, I said what Jeremiah was speaking about in relationship to the bad and
sinful copies made of the original was what was wrong. He did not think it
was, he knew what was correct and what wasn't. Just how many irons do you
want to toss into this fire?
Mebbe reading my lips will work? How many times do I need to explain
that Jeremiah wasn't referring to lack of transcription fidelity.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 20:20:52 UTC
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Did you read the verses I cited?
Yes, I did.
Then you know I'm right.
About what? Shifting goalposts? Nah?
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This is subtle polemic against Moses. Notice that he just stood by
while the adulterous couple entered the tent. It was up to Aaron's
grandson Phinehas (an Egyptian name, btw) to mete out justice.
WOW, do you ever read into things without understanding.
LOL.
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While Moses was
speaking with the judges of Israel this took place, yes, in front
of him.
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NOTE it was while he was already busy explaining to them what the
Lord told
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him to do. Here you expect him to stop what he was doing and be
judge jury
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and executioner? Johnny on the spot and micro managing?
LOL.
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Post by Ted
And
the major sin here wasn't illicit sex, but rather a non-priest's
entry into to the Tabernacle. Immediate capital punishment was
what
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the law demanded. (The Holy of Holies in the later Temple included
the Tabernacle.)
Now You are shifting goal posts. Why?
Dammit, Robert, you keep disappointing me. Goal post shifting is
changing subjects to avoid arguing the point. What I did was merely
provide additional information. The entire addendum was inserted, and
could have been omitted, without altering the flow a whit.
No, you shifted the reasoning as to what the "real reason" was for your
comments, which started off on the premise that a bunch of Moabite women
morphed into on Midianite woman.

Remember?
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Why on earth, you might ask, would the author want to take Moses
down
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a notch. Which is also the reason the Moabite sluts became
Midianite,
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the subtle implication being that Zipporah may have been a slut.
What has that to do with your goal post shifting?
I wasn't goal post shifting. Again, I was providing additional info.
Do you prefer curt monosyllabic grunts? Or is this a conversation.
Post by Dr. Who
Are you just now actually
reading Numbers to see what the various topics were?
Dude, it's you who were completely ignorant of what happened in
chapter 25, not me.
No, you were focused originally on what you thought was a discrepancy within
that chapter and from that you morphed into other things
Post by Ted
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
LOL. Back then, it was a separate document. But it now comprises
about forty percent of the Pentateuch. And you're saying it's "in
error"? You're right about Jeremiah. He certainly thought it was.
No, I said what Jeremiah was speaking about in relationship to the
bad and
Post by Dr. Who
sinful copies made of the original was what was wrong. He did not
think it
Post by Dr. Who
was, he knew what was correct and what wasn't. Just how many irons
do you
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want to toss into this fire?
Mebbe reading my lips will work? How many times do I need to explain
that Jeremiah wasn't referring to lack of transcription fidelity.
“How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed
the lying pens of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.” (Jer 8:8, DRB)

This is the verse that you originally referred to. It shows that the Jeremiah
was indeed speaking to the lack of transcription fidelity. IOW's it deviated
from the original.

Yet you claim the truths of the "experts"?
Michael McLean
2023-02-05 22:12:24 UTC
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several
times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
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literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to
determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of the
Bible is unparalleled here.
LOL.
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Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign and
was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't believe in
talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc., and they
endeavored to make their creation account compatible with contemporary
natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with their
favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until
they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century
BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify their Judean
province and make its religion more compatible with Zoroastrianism.
Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's becoming
God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for some
time in the future.




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Ted
2023-02-05 23:38:39 UTC
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
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It
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is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
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you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Ted
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
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along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
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in
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six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
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doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
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for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
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is
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how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
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God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
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Mr.
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14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction?That is just a
by-the-by.
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Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it
several
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times, so
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I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days
are
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literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they
can be
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interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien
notion
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onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Mike
Good point.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.” (Gen
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1:2, KJV)
No mention how the vast wasteland got here.
“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face
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of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters. And God
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said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (Gen 1:2-3, KJV)
Light and darkness separated after light was formed, yet at that
time there
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was no Sun, Moon, and stars. There is a mystery for you, Science
recently
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discovered a new light form that is co-existent, but was unable to
determine
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its origins or exactly what it was. ????
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the
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evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen 1:5, KJV)
Notice, here is where time began "first Day", yet there was no Sun
and Moon
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whereby man could determine calendar days.
'ĕlôhı̂ym = God in English.
However, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.”
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(Gen
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1:1, KJV)
Which does state the origin of things physical. "The reality that
man can
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relate to"
Thanks Robert. I always appreciate your input, as your knowledge of the
Bible is unparalleled here.
LOL.
Genesis 1 was written by the Aaronid priests during Hezekiah's reign and
was intended to replace the Adam and Eve myth. They didn't
believe in
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talking animals, angels, direct contact with God, etc., and they
endeavored to make their creation account compatible with
contemporary
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natural philosophy. (Ironic, that.)
As always, though, there were those who refused to part with
their
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favorite myths and so the two existed side by side for centuries until
they were united into one volume by Ezra et al during the 5th century
BCE as part of the Persian government's project to unify their Judean
province and make its religion more compatible with
Zoroastrianism.
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Incidentally, other results of that project included Satan's
becoming
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God's adversary and a resurrection of the dead being scheduled for some
time in the future.
http://youtu.be/wkLRZzukcJc
Mike
LOL.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It
is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means
you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along,
along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
You are fixing the length of the day based upon your belief.
Belief, yes, but based on what the Lord says to me at the time...belief
in Him. You'll have to forgive me, but I have to rush through these
things, or I won't get anything else done that I need to get done.
The Hebrew
word translated as DAY is JOWM and it can mean both a literal day and an
unspecified time period or an age. The Hebrew JOWM is used much like the
1. In our "day and age";
2. Back in the day;
3. The good old days;
None of which mean twenty-four hours.
Even the phrase, "day of the Lord" is referring to a future age, not a
literal day of 24 hours.
Well, as I understand it I tell. For instance...

Gen 1:13  And the "evening and the morning" were the third day.

Gen 1:19  And the "evening and the morning" were the fourth day.

The Lord states that to remove the confusion with time. It is settled
for me, unless the Lord changes it.

God, you see, can and does do anything and everything, not just what our
minds can imagine and not limited by what our minds cannot.
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If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is
how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!
Yes, of course, doesn't that say something about the nature of God's
nature? Nothing hidden, like totally honest and true.
"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is DAY: the night
cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the
light of the world."
He certainly is. Your context is different from mine.
So Jesus is saying his entire time here is one day and he is the light
that lights that day. This is the first day of Genesis that Jesus speaks
of. That day was approximately three years long (his ministry) and then
he ascended to heaven to be with the Father. So here from Jesus Christ
we see one day lasted for approximately three years or 26,298 hours.
That's a lot longer than the literal 24-hour days you two men and other
creationists propose.
He certainly is, still, the light of the world.

I think the contexts are getting blurred.

A day is a day going through evening and ending on the morning and
beginning a new day, it is not 26,298 hours The Lord doesn't do complex
calculation when speaking to children. Besides, the Lord Jesus has
always been here, right from the very beginning, right from before
Abraham to the end of the world.

One discussion my wife and I had been: if the light of the sun and the
moon were not around, how could God work in the light?  Well, you are
already aware, His own light.  But it is just interesting that He would
***show us*** in this very first chapter, from the start, in His
actions, that He is a God of light, and by extension that He is not a
liar, and that He is not someone who would deceive us.

One the things the Lord said to me from the very beginning is, "I will
not lead you to destruction." Which was ominous in a way, as it was
obvious to me, even at the time, it was going to feel like it. And it
certainly was, but now, I just bend in the wind. Of course, I say that
now! How come I have that Jaws soundtrack in my head?

Anyway.

He is all power, even the power that you take to type one letter.
Then Jesus sent the comforter on the day of Pentecost, creating two
great lights (the saints and powers) to light both day and night, and
lesser lights to mark times and seasons.
No, God is always the light, and will always be the light.
Jesus did say that his
disciples are the "light of the world."
Only because He was with them to the end of the world; He still remains
the light.

He is the light, and ALL the glory is His.
They are the visible lights that
proceed from the true light of the Father and Son.
As above.
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr.
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Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
I hold Genesis 1 in high regard and have posted on it several times,
so I won't repeat myself here. I agree with you that the six days are
literal days. That's what the words mean. Trying to claim they can be
interpreted as longer periods of time is just forcing an alien notion
onto it.
Yep.
You take it on what it says or you don't.
As I see it, it is that simple.
Both of you believe the days of Genesis are literal 24-hour days. Yet
Jesus established his 3-year ministry as a single day, in which he was
the light of that long day, before the night came when he left the world.
Ted doesn't believe in a literal 24-hour days, but I love him anyway. :-).
Wait, there's more. Jesus Christ is the light of Genesis chapter one.
The cross is the Beginning of the creation of God. Jesus is the Lamb
slain BEFORE the foundation of the world. Jesus said: "... It is not for
you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his
own power."
Michael defines the 'days' of Genesis as six periods of twenty-four
hours. Then he says, "You take it on what it says or you don't." The
question is, what does the Spirit say?
How does the Father define days, times, and seasons? Does the Spirit
"(Psalms 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday
when it is past, and as a watch in the night."
"(II Peter 3:8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that
one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day."
The Apostle says a thousand years is but a day to the Father. And the
word, 'thousand' is equally flexible, and is being used as we use the
word, 'zillion'. So how many hours is that long of a day? Zillions?
"(Matthew 24:22) And except those days should be shortened, there should
no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be SHORTENED."
"(Mark 13:20) And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no
flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he
hath shortened the days."
Ergo the Father will shorten days to a period of time less than usual
reckoning. So we know God can count a thousand years (or less, or more)
as a single day.
"(Job 19:25) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand
at the latter day upon the earth:"
Herein the phrase, "latter day" means a later age. It is not conveying
an exact period of twenty-four hours.
In your zeal to convert Atheists to the philosophy of Creationsism you
two men have converted yourselves to medievalism. ;) Recall the time we
call, "the dark ages" of Europe. Those were "dark" days or a "long night."
The creation of Genesis chapter one is not about zoology. It is about
Jesus Christ, and the spiritual heaven and earth being established upon
him at the cross. Thus arguing over, or speculating over, the length of
the days in Genesis misses the entire point of Genesis--Jesus Christ!
Genesis chapter one began with Jesus Christ. "Let there be light" is in
"(John 8:12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of
the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall
have the light of life."
"(2 Corinthians 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the
minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel
of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
"Let there be light" is about Jesus. This was the Father's first
creative act, to beget his Son from himself. Take note that in Genesis
the "Sun" is not created until the 4th day, while the light is the first
act of creation, manifest on the first day. There is no sun or moon yet
to measure a 24-hour cycle, until the 4th day. This manifestation of the
light of the creation is God begetting his Son from out of himself. John
"(John 1:1-4) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things
were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the LIGHT of men. And the LIGHT
shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
The philosophy of Creationism is not going to convert atheists to
believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. A proper understanding of the first
chapters of Genesis *might* bring them to wonder and seek God.
Once you see that "The Beginning" and "Let there be Light" are Names of
"In the Beginning was the Word."
"In the Beginning" is a Name, not a time.
Mr. Beginning was the Word (Logos, divine image). And the Word (Mr.
Beginning) was with God. And the Word (Mr. Beginning) was God.
John repeats Jesus: "I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
Almighty."
John says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things
were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men."
So Jesus Christ is both the Beginning and the Light.
And Genesis was written about 3000 years before Christ, while being
surprisingly accurate in portraying the ages of the past 2000 years
since Jesus ascended. If you read Genesis understanding its idioms, you
can see it is a series of prophecies concerning Jesus Christ.
Some of the "days" of Genesis are very long ages. Jesus is both the
Beginning of Genesis and the Ending, or the Seventh Day of Rest. He is
Lord of Light and Lord of the Sabbath. If you can't see Jesus in the
first day of the Genesis creation then flip the night switch and see the
light.
It has all been explained above.

You need to focus on who God is in your heart.

You cannot ascend the hill of the Lord with your mind, it can only be
with the heart. What do you think the problem is with Christendom?

It is not a hill to die on how much time is time, it is just diversion
and a perversion. What is first? God did it and He did it in love and
in the process He revealed who He is, and He is not "knowledge," so no
matter how much you accumulate, it won't do you any good.

1Co 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have
not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I
could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3  And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

What is God saying about Himself?

That is where you need to look.

Why do you think the Lord has got me going through a Bible He told me to
put down 36 years ago? To gain more knowledge, to become more
clevererer?? :-). There are a few reasons, but I will tell you this one
reason, He wants to reveal details about why He does things the way He
does things, nitty gritty things, and I am very excited.

Think about a friend who wants to take you into his man cave to show you
stuff.

Now, forget about the 2,948,383,838,383,893,838,387,483,632,940 minutes
is a day stuff, and tell me what the Lord is saying about Himself in 1
Corinthians above. If I am going to be the person the Lord has chosen
to disciple you, you are going to have to do what I say, and get those
hands completely off the steering wheel.

"Flip the night switch and see the light."

Your choice.






Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means you
are stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
[.....]
Assertions are not facts.
And now you are going to assert?
If the creation is six literal calendar days, and if a day is strictly a
24-hour cycle, then how does God count all six days together as single day?
"(Genesis 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and
the heavens."
In this verse He sums the entire creation period into a single day. He
combines all six days, and calls the sum a single day. How is this
possible if a day only means "twenty-four hours?"
The day that you come up with that answer might take a thousand years.
:-). Obviously, "day" has different contexts.
This speaks against the theory of "day" being a literal solar day. How
can six days be counted as a single day unless the use of day is epochal
rather than calendarist? How can solar days of twenty-four hours even be
reckoned for three days before the creation of the sun?
If the word "day" from Hebrew JOWM means a literal calendar day, then
how can the prophet say the entire age of the gospel is a single day?
"(Zechariah 14:7) But it shall be one day which shall be known to the
LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening
time it shall be light."
Here the Lord specifically says the coming day will not be known by the
natural day or night, but will have light in spiritual darkness for the
JOWM, meaning age, and not a calendar day. Read carefully. He says the
approaching DAY will not be a day or a night. He is referring to the age
of the gospel as a single day.
This also speaks against the idea of Genesis one being calendar days.
"(Zechariah 14:8) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall
go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of
them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be."
Here the entire summer and winter are summed up as "that day." Entire
seasons are called a day. These are the seasons of the gospel harvest
age. And to God they are a single day, in the same way that God calls
all six days of the creation a single day in Genesis 2:4.
This also speaks against the idea of Genesis one being calendar days.
"God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six literal days."
When we look closely at the scripture we see that God clearly creates
the heavens and the earth in six symbolic days of long ages or eons, or
"seasons", and when he is finished he refers to the six days as a single
day. In sum, the use of the word, "day" in Genesis chapter one is
epochal, and symbolic of a long age or epoch of time.
The desire to promote solar creationism does not define scripture. The
visible sun does not reckon the time of God's days, for He is the light
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in
it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light
thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light
of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into
it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall
be no night there."
The answers to your life are not found in the Bible, they are found in
finding Him in Person in your daily life.

I didn't order you or anyone to believe me.

I just told you what God told me; that is the end of the story.

Besides, you need to take your hands off the steering wheel because all
you do is take yourself down those massive satanically inspired rabbit
holes of ever learning; the Christendom curse.

Do as you were told with the 1 Corinthians 13 bit. Now, unless you can
say, "thus says the Lord" in your speculation, get to work on knowing
God and finding Him in your daily life in Person.

Now let the evening pass and the morning of the next day come, and enter
into this reality: it is better to know about Him in one revelation from
above than to know all there is in the Bible with your study.




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
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2023-02-07 00:33:31 UTC
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It
is really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
I usually go all the way through a post and reply, then double back
around and go through it again to refine it and try to get all the
grammar and spelling crap right.

So, now I get to see, from the air, the lay of the land.
"It is really the Lord ..." Is it? Do the prophets begin with "Thus
sayeth the Lord" or do they say, "It is really the Lord?"
If it is, thus says the Lord, I will say it.

Already, from the start, the contextual "shiftiness" begins.

Can I not give the Lord the credit for what He reveals to me without you
judging me and contextually ramming me up my ass?
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Post by Michael McLean
 It means you are stuck with me for a little while longer.
Nothing some bog roll can't *rectify* ...
Funny. :-).

I have just told you the truth, that's all.
During and after this response you will be stuck with yourself. Enjoy
the mirror! Show this post to your wife. She'll be really proud of you!
Sure. She knows me far better than you. However, "You do not know Me
at all," says the Lord.

By the way, the Lord owns all the mirrors. A sinner doesn't have any.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
Dancers in Genesis? So you are a Bible ballerina? Far out, dude!
I didn't say anything about "Dancers in Genesis?"

You led into a straw man, and then pulled on the straw, and mocked.

And thus, you now launch the projectile turd frenzy! :-).
I'll try really hard not to fawn and swoon and gambol over your
"inspired" instruction. Should I strap on a chastity belt and butt plug
to prevent unseemly soilage from overjoy?
If you did know me as well as you think you do, you would have been
inspired, yes. But since you seek inspiration from your own mind, no.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
They're your friends because you are just like them; full of guile.
It seems the latter has come to the surface, but I forgive you, anyway.

You were told, you were required to contest, dispute, contend, to fight,
so that you learn, and that is what it takes to enter the kingdom (Matt
11:12). There is nothing worse than an indifferent religious ponce,
dead of any zing and zeal for the truth at any cost.

Peter, by the way, had lots of zing and zeal; that is what is required,
but turned inwardly to bring him to his knees.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along,
along the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Ooh, here comes the mother lode ... pass the psychedelic kool-aid!
You will notice you attack your neighbour rather than address everything
that he said.

Here you go...

"If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing
it within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!

So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by."

Are you just to take your, "Thus sayeth NightBulb?"
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six literal days. That's the end of the story.
"The problem is, you are fighting to defend a Religion of flawed men who
admit they are flawed, yet demand absolute allegiance to its doctrines."
I am not flawed because the Lord Jesus is not flawed; a true slave has
absolute allegiance to his Master and His will.
Post by Michael McLean
[.....]
Assertions are not facts.
And now you are going to assert?
No. I'm going to show you your own assertions.
As you assert.

You don't know me.
"I had the courtesy to read what you say and try to see from your point
of view, can you offer the same?"
"What are you afraid of, anyway?  Being a "wrong" sinner?  At worse, can
you not repent?"
"The problem is, you are fighting to defend a Religion of flawed men who
admit they are flawed, yet demand absolute allegiance to its doctrines.
You can't use against me what is not for me.

By the way, for the record, that is consistent above.

Nevertheless.
Post by Michael McLean
If the creation is six literal calendar days, and if a day is
strictly a 24-hour cycle, then how does God count all six days
together as single day?
"(Genesis 2:4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the
earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
earth and the heavens."
In this verse He sums the entire creation period into a single day.
He combines all six days, and calls the sum a single day. How is this
possible if a day only means "twenty-four hours?"
The day that you come up with that answer might take a thousand years.
:-).  Obviously, "day" has different contexts.
Waffle. Baffle.
Okay, "day" doesn't have different contexts. Maybe on "Father's Day"
you might have a different opinion.
"The Lord states that to remove the confusion with time.  It is settled
for me, unless the Lord changes it."
Exactly.
"A day is a day going through evening and ending on the morning and
beginning a new day, it is not 26,298 hours  The Lord doesn't do complex
calculation when speaking to children."
I'm not a child
Yes, you are; a rebellious child.
and I often do extremely complex calculations, sometimes
all day long. You tried to baffle me with bullshit and got in over your
head in the crapper. You can waffle and baffle yourself all you want.
I'm flushing this payload.
Always your choice, but, as the Lord lives, you do not know me and you
cannot calculate what is before you.
Post by Michael McLean
This speaks against the theory of "day" being a literal solar day.
How can six days be counted as a single day unless the use of day is
epochal rather than calendarist? How can solar days of twenty-four
hours even be reckoned for three days before the creation of the sun?
If the word "day" from Hebrew JOWM means a literal calendar day, then
how can the prophet say the entire age of the gospel is a single day?
"(Zechariah 14:7) But it shall be one day which shall be known to the
LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening
time it shall be light."
Here the Lord specifically says the coming day will not be known by
the natural day or night, but will have light in spiritual darkness
for the JOWM, meaning age, and not a calendar day. Read carefully. He
says the approaching DAY will not be a day or a night. He is
referring to the age of the gospel as a single day.
This also speaks against the idea of Genesis one being calendar days.
"(Zechariah 14:8) And it shall be in that day, that living waters
shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and
half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it
be."
Here the entire summer and winter are summed up as "that day." Entire
seasons are called a day. These are the seasons of the gospel harvest
age. And to God they are a single day, in the same way that God calls
all six days of the creation a single day in Genesis 2:4.
This also speaks against the idea of Genesis one being calendar days.
"God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six literal days."
When we look closely at the scripture we see that God clearly creates
the heavens and the earth in six symbolic days of long ages or eons,
or "seasons", and when he is finished he refers to the six days as a
single day. In sum, the use of the word, "day" in Genesis chapter one
is epochal, and symbolic of a long age or epoch of time.
The desire to promote solar creationism does not define scripture.
The visible sun does not reckon the time of God's days, for He is the
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine
in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light
thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the
light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and
for there shall be no night there."
The answers to your life are not found in the Bible, they are found in
finding Him in Person in your daily life.
"Sounds nicely and lovely.  You didn't address the truth, you shoved it
sideways in light of your own glory and imaginary power. All you are
saying is, "Try to convince me," and my reply to that is, "Convince
yourself." Stop lying.  Start there.  All you do is damage your own
life; you can't stop me being what I am."
True.

You can't. You have no power, NightBulb.

Simply showing me my words is meant to what? Convince me that you are
right with thin air? :-). All you are doing is moving around contexts
creating confusion.

This is the truth: "The answers to your life are not found in the Bible,
they are found in finding Him in Person in your daily life."
Post by Michael McLean
I didn't order you or anyone to believe me.
True.
"A simple, I don't believe you, is an atheist coward behaviour."
You are taking contexts, twisting them into your own thought pattern and
flinging them out like mud.

You should have said, "I don't believe you", except you flare up and
become "right" because you are opposed over the opinion of what a day is???

"Am I less than the value of your opinion over time?" says the Lord.

You can read that two ways, actually, now that I look at it.
Post by Michael McLean
I just told you what God told me; that is the end of the story.
"You can't produce the truth from a lie, ye mendacious prick dick."
Again, you take different conversations and merge 'plucks' into the
present "conversation" to create the context you want. That is exactly
the behaviour of a "mendacious prick". It seems the Lord was preparing
me for this with my atheist buddy, Frankly Wankly. :-).

I could have a great time taking pieces of conversations and patching
them into something "story-telling", including yours, my friend.

It is deceitful. Stop pluck duck fucking me. My wife needs to see the
reply too! :-).

Address directly what I say, and leave the shadowy, creative,
imagination in the toilet.

You don't know me.
Post by Michael McLean
Besides, you need to take your hands off the steering wheel because
all you do is take yourself down those massive satanically inspired
rabbit holes of ever learning; the Christendom curse.
"Now if you want to prove to me I am wrong, prove to me that in us
choice has power and/or requires power, and in the process, God willing,
you may just learn what is being said. If a man listens, He will come to
that man and make Himself known to Him and draw that man out of the
world. We are simply looking at reasoning here from the assumption there
is a God, and I mean a GOD!  Of course, I say there most definitely is."
Take your hands off the steering wheel, you don't know where you are
going. If you want to prove me wrong, it is out in the light.

Prove to me choice has power if you want to prove me wrong.

In the light.
Post by Michael McLean
Do as you were told with the 1 Corinthians 13 bit.  Now, unless you
can say, "thus says the Lord" in your speculation, get to work on
knowing God and finding Him in your daily life in Person.
"If "choice" had power, we could make the call on its consequence. I
say, "choice" has no power in and of itself in a man. You can't screw
choice, it operates in everyone 24/7. Besides, why not both, or more?
Why is "choice" powerless?  Unless you think it is power; in which case,
how is it power?"
"Oh yeah, I see it.  Oh dear, what a tangled web you weave, when you
practice to deceive!  Like your father, so subtle, so nefarious!  😄.
Beautifully evil, pretty boy; an appearance of light."
Your eyes see all, I get your message; only you don't.

It is nefarious and very subtly deceitful what you are doing, trying to
blend contexts. The Lord is not blind, neither does He turn a blind eye.

Prove to me choice has power if you want to prove me wrong.

There you go.

In the light.
Post by Michael McLean
Now let the evening pass and the morning of the next day come, and
enter into this reality: it is better to know about Him in one
revelation from above than to know all there is in the Bible with your
study.
Truth.

2Ti_3:7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the
truth.
"Scripture does not need "more support". Scripture does not need the
validation of men, with science or anything else."
Truth.

Men have no power.
Now I see it. You are denouncing the scripture. You are an atheist.
That's a keeper quote!!! :-). What a ripper! You need to become a
DayBulb. :-). All the Lord is doing is attacking your idol, the source
of what you believe gives you power.

You have no power! All the glory is the Lord's.

You see nothing. You are seeing what you want to see. You don't see
me. That is why all the deceitful, dishonest, contextual maneuvering
crap is going on.

You are trying to endow yourself with power with a self-styled clever
mirror game, but all you have done is maneuver yourself into the ploy of
a deceiver.
Otherwise how could any man believing in Jesus spew such slander?
Well, you got aaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll the answers, like everyone else!

Only those who have nothing, and know they are nothing, enter in to the
family, Buddy.
"When God says "Repent," it means to "rethink", rethink your choice.
Which indicates a choice has already been made. The wrong one."
"You were warned. You have made your choice. The Lord is going to sort
you out. Nobody gets away wiff anything; not a jot, not a tittle. Tick
tock."
"How can you possibly think you can get away wiff it?  Are you insane??"
"Thanks for the laugh, ye mendacious prickery dickery."
Yet more mendacious contextual prickery and trickery! Interesting how
you came up with that term, and yet here you are in the name of your
truth using its means to try and justify your opinion.

There's the Lord's mirror for you.
I gave Michael a couple of outs and friendly nudges to correct himself
when he was persistent in error. Instead he doubled down and accused me
of being on a "satanically inspired" path. His own words quoted
throughout this post are a mirror to his true nature.
All you did was knock up a contextual "tale" that suited your religious
bent.

All of Pharisee Christendom is on a Satanically inspired path, believing
that knowledge of the Bible, like you presently hold, can save them; it
can't.

My wife will easily have no difficulty whatsoever in seeing right
through anything written here, this "day."  It will just be an exercise
in truth for her - not your "truth," though, but the truth of God.
Michael McLean is a closet atheist wearing woo phylacteries. He dances
dervish whirls around valid criticism like a bible ballerina. He virtue
signals piety via his fake revelation of creationist woo. In sum,
Michael McLean is a bargain budget Ken Hamm. He should make an origami
ark and stuff his head inside then get a toilet swirly while being
spanked with a bible.
Original. :-). That is a keeper too! :-). And, again, the Bible
cannot save you!

Gird your loins if the truth is as important to you as you claim.
Otherwise, keep punching the clock over endless Bible religion opinions,
arguing futile and vain doctrines over worldly rudiments (your website),
and leaving a personal life of walking in the Spirit with the Lord Jesus
every day languishing like a spare dick at a wedding (a little
Australiana thrown in there).  :-).

It is not funny, though; far from it, because the Lord gets the shitty
end of the stick!  An utter disgrace!!!

And, for the record, in speaking about the Genesis chapters so far, I
have been speaking about the glory and the goodness of God and how man
has treated Him and continues to treat Him, as well as why man is in the
mess he is in.

And what do you do, all you could think about is arguing about your "days".

Hello?

There is another mirror for you.

Go read those Genesis chapters I posted with your heart instead of that
thick head!



What is the Lord saying about Himself? It is all about Him, not you!

1Co 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have
not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I
could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3  And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though
I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Do as you're told.




Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Michael McLean
2023-02-07 08:05:06 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It
is really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
I usually go all the way through a post and reply, then double back
around and go through it again to refine it and try to get all the
grammar and spelling crap right.
So, now I get to see, from the air, the lay of the land.
<snip a ream of diversionary woo>
And a snip back at cha.

I am not going to waste my time with a sinner who is happy to remain as
he is.





Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Attila
2023-02-06 12:44:40 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.  It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.  It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy!  Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday.  I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth.  What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.  Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start!  A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion.  Can you see a contradiction?  That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-06 20:59:56 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Michael McLean
2023-02-06 22:39:08 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Yeah, Attila, you wrong end the telescope atheist! :-). That means
narrow minded, by the way.

If it pleases you, see my conversation with NightBulb. Apparently I am
a Bible ballerina now, more to add to my long resumé of compliments.
:-). He doesn't see me in the same way as you don't see me.

Interesting.

I hoping that one day the Lord will open his eyes, and actually I would
mimic that same hope for Him doing that for you too.

Well, truth is, it is going to happen anyway, but it would be far better
for it to happen now, and not later, for the both of you.





Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Attila
2023-02-06 23:44:59 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 09:39:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Yeah, Attila, you wrong end the telescope atheist! :-). That means
narrow minded, by the way.
I am not narrow minded except when it comes to accepting
outrageous claims without supporting evidence.
Post by Michael McLean
If it pleases you, see my conversation with NightBulb. Apparently I am
a Bible ballerina now, more to add to my long resumé of compliments.
:-). He doesn't see me in the same way as you don't see me.
I have better things to do than research your mutterings
with others.
Post by Michael McLean
Interesting.
I hoping that one day the Lord will open his eyes, and actually I would
mimic that same hope for Him doing that for you too.
I know of no lord. We have no nobility in the US.
Post by Michael McLean
Well, truth is, it is going to happen anyway, but it would be far better
for it to happen now, and not later, for the both of you.
Even after all of this time you try to bother me with
threats involving your silly superstition.


You are a one note wonder.
Post by Michael McLean
Mike
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Michael McLean
2023-02-07 01:26:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 09:39:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Yeah, Attila, you wrong end the telescope atheist! :-). That means
narrow minded, by the way.
I am not narrow minded except when it comes to accepting
outrageous claims without supporting evidence.
Post by Michael McLean
If it pleases you, see my conversation with NightBulb. Apparently I am
a Bible ballerina now, more to add to my long resumé of compliments.
:-). He doesn't see me in the same way as you don't see me.
I have better things to do than research your mutterings
with others.
Post by Michael McLean
Interesting.
I hoping that one day the Lord will open his eyes, and actually I would
mimic that same hope for Him doing that for you too.
I know of no lord. We have no nobility in the US.
Post by Michael McLean
Well, truth is, it is going to happen anyway, but it would be far better
for it to happen now, and not later, for the both of you.
Even after all of this time you try to bother me with
threats involving your silly superstition.
You are a one note wonder.
You didn't read my post properly, monotone.

It is not all about you.





Michael
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
Attila
2023-02-06 23:39:57 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?

Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?

The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 02:25:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?

In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Attila
2023-02-07 05:20:41 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:25:00 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.

So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 05:54:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:25:00 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
Attila
2023-02-07 06:45:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 21:54:54 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:25:00 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 07:11:28 UTC
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It means you
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are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high places
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Post by Dr. Who
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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Post by Dr. Who
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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Post by Dr. Who
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.

Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
Attila
2023-02-07 20:29:31 UTC
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(in
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It means you
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are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high places
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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Post by Attila
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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Post by Dr. Who
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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Post by Dr. Who
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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Post by Dr. Who
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.
Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
There is one world - the real one. I have seen nothing that
supports any imiginary world. supernatural, superstitious,
or anything else.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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(in
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It means you
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Post by Attila
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are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high places
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Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Post by Michael McLean
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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Post by Dr. Who
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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Post by Attila
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Post by Ted
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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Post by Ted
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.
Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
There is one world - the real one. I have seen nothing that
supports any imiginary world. supernatural, superstitious,
or anything else.
I have no doubt that you haven't recognized it as such
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(in
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
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are
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high places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.
Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
There is one world - the real one. I have seen nothing that
supports any imiginary world. supernatural, superstitious,
or anything else.
I have no doubt that you haven't recognized it as such
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"

Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It means you
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are
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Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.
Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
There is one world - the real one. I have seen nothing that
supports any imiginary world. supernatural, superstitious,
or anything else.
I have no doubt that you haven't recognized it as such
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.
For liberals, perhaps.
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(in
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the
whole Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my
own. It means you
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are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in
high places
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Post by Dr. Who
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist
and diabolical
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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Post by Attila
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will
pass along, along
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Post by Attila
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens
and the earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly
He did, then doing
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Post by Dr. Who
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it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk
in the park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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Post by Dr. Who
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark.
Doesn't that say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for
you; sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just
a by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
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could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom
and surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
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between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are
the purist in the
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Post by Dr. Who
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii. Where
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are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they were
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doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
That's why the word should be avoided. Some people think it means
supernatural.
I don't believe I used the word magical.
Supernatural reigns over things natural. Two separate worlds.
There is one world - the real one. I have seen nothing that
supports any imiginary world. supernatural, superstitious,
or anything else.
I have no doubt that you haven't recognized it as such
"Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
"Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
needed.
For liberals, perhaps.
I would not know since I am not one.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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2023-02-07 10:35:58 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.

I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?

If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
Attila
2023-02-07 21:56:51 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.

Sir Arthur Charles Clarke

A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.

The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
Document:

"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"

Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.

Gone With the Wind is a document.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-07 23:38:18 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 21:54:54 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:25:00 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you wrote
below is your translation of it?
Post by Attila
Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Attila
2023-02-08 01:03:15 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.

Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
Post by Dr. Who
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified. A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Dr. Who
2023-02-08 04:00:07 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
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Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 23:11:28 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 21:54:54 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 18:25:00 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
Post by Dr. Who
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars? Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Post by Attila
A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
Post by Dr. Who
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Post by Dr. Who
Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
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Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
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Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
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I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
Post by Dr. Who
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
z**************************************
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
***************************************
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.

I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter how
fans might like to think they were all true.
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast. That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
Post by Attila
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
Post by Dr. Who
I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?

I certainly hope you have more than one.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.

"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
z**************************************
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
***************************************
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Attila
Post by Dr. Who
If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
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Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.
I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter how
fans might like to think they were all true.
That would depend on what sources you used and whether the
accounts you described were verified by similar accounts
written by independent sources.

The is a book, Guns of the South, which uses characters and
events verified by a number of independent sources but it
also postulates the South being armed with AK47's and what
that would mean for the outcome. Needless to say it does
not pretend to be true in the basic storyline but it is
still a document.

Just because some characters, geographical locations, and
events are independently verified does absolutely nothing to
validate the remainder of the book.

Exactly the same can be said for your bible.
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Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
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Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
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Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
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Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.

Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.

And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.

You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have some
idea in your head.
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.

Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life as
made by God.

Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.

There are Web sites with the testimony of people who have experience
miracles, healing, etc. And case studied for independent verifications so
that people like yourself could see, yet the high majority of them do nothing
but disbelieve.
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Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.
I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter
how fans might like to think they were all true.
That would depend on what sources you used and whether the
accounts you described were verified by similar accounts
written by independent sources.
No, it wouldn't, for reasons I gave above. Ask the author of Gone with the
Wind.
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The is a book, Guns of the South, which uses characters and
events verified by a number of independent sources but it
also postulates the South being armed with AK47's and what
that would mean for the outcome. Needless to say it does
not pretend to be true in the basic storyline but it is
still a document.
No, a thesis of sorts perhaps, but it documents nothing.
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Just because some characters, geographical locations, and
events are independently verified does absolutely nothing to
validate the remainder of the book.
I had to laugh at that, since you just got through explaining in the scenario
that I pointed our regarding my gggandfather and the civil war, the reasons
why it could be real and justified.

So which is it?
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Exactly the same can be said for your bible.
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Post by Michael McLean
The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion based on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.
The names really don't matter. The fact remains that
personal experiences are of use only to the one individual
who may have had the experience.
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Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
As usual the point discussed runs into vagueness, ambiguity,
and a total void of any unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible supporting evidence.

BTW, there are and have been few more culturally destructive
people than missionaries.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Why do you think people run games on me? I don't try to
prove everything my self but what I accept as valid are
those things that I am confident if I wished to study and
learn the details and had the necessary equipment I could
reproduce the results myself.
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Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.
Are you not aware of the factors involved with climate
change as well as weather change? The two are related but
not the same. There is certainly no supernatural element
anywhere in the equation.
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And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.
Are you talking about the nuclear countdown clock? That is
a political measurement somebody dreamed up and sets
according to the political climate and international
hotspots involving nuclear powers. It has nothing to do
with any silly superstitions.
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You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have some
idea in your head.
On the nuclear clock? I ignore it
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.
Science is al lot more than creating something new. It is
more the study of the real world so it can e explained and
understood.
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Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life as
made by God.
Aircraft were built long before the fluid flow was
understood.. The flight of birds and bees (which are totally
different) only demonstrated it was possible for something
to fly.
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Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
Better than whatever is in second place.
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
real.
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.
That is nice and vague. I agree no everything can be
explained but we are working on it. Plus it is not
necessary to disprove anything. If something is asserted as
being true it is that person who has the burden to provide
supporting evidence.

It is almost never necessary to disprove anything.
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There are Web sites with the testimony of people who have experience
miracles, healing, etc.
The value of eyewitnesses:








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And case studied for independent verifications so
that people like yourself could see, yet the high majority of them do nothing
but disbelieve.
Actual supporting evidence would not require belief.
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Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.
I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter
how fans might like to think they were all true.
That would depend on what sources you used and whether the
accounts you described were verified by similar accounts
written by independent sources.
No, it wouldn't, for reasons I gave above. Ask the author of Gone with the
Wind.
That would be difficult. She is dead.

I thought we were talking about your hypothetical civil war
rendition.
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The is a book, Guns of the South, which uses characters and
events verified by a number of independent sources but it
also postulates the South being armed with AK47's and what
that would mean for the outcome. Needless to say it does
not pretend to be true in the basic storyline but it is
still a document.
No, a thesis of sorts perhaps, but it documents nothing.
There is a difference between documenting something and a
document. One is a rendition or description of an event
while the other is a recorded record which may or may not be
correct.
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Just because some characters, geographical locations, and
events are independently verified does absolutely nothing to
validate the remainder of the book.
I had to laugh at that, since you just got through explaining in the scenario
that I pointed our regarding my gggandfather and the civil war, the reasons
why it could be real and justified.
So which is it?
It would depend on whether or not there were other accounts
by other people who were there at the time and recorded the
accounts entirely separate and independent from what your
relative said. The key factors are unrelated, separate and
creditable as well as independently verifiable.
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Exactly the same can be said for your bible.
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Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd
that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone
knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking
about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion
based
on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.
The names really don't matter. The fact remains that
personal experiences are of use only to the one individual
who may have had the experience.
Again you assume incorrectly having failed to read what was written, both
here and originally.
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Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
As usual the point discussed runs into vagueness, ambiguity,
and a total void of any unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible supporting evidence.
I told you at the fore what I was going to do and not due. So this part of
this thread is finished. So quit trolling.
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BTW, there are and have been few more culturally destructive
people than missionaries.
You speak generically based on what you have never verified.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Why do you think people run games on me? I don't try to
prove everything my self but what I accept as valid are
those things that I am confident if I wished to study and
learn the details and had the necessary equipment I could
reproduce the results myself.
So people have been running games on you because you consider yourself
smarter than others. You couldn't even see the differences between things of
God and religion speaking, and never bothered to see what it was all about
for yourself. You, per God are to test the spirits and try them to see
whether they be of God, and what is the measuring stick? the Bible.
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Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.
Are you not aware of the factors involved with climate
change as well as weather change? The two are related but
not the same. There is certainly no supernatural element
anywhere in the equation.
Did I mention any, or is that the boogey man speaking to you?

I am more aware than many, I also know to weather patterns of the past, and I
know the predicted future.
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And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.
Are you talking about the nuclear countdown clock? That is
a political measurement somebody dreamed up and sets
according to the political climate and international
hotspots involving nuclear powers. It has nothing to do
with any silly superstitions.
It is more than a nuclear clock, it is dependent on social change as well.
Which you mentioned.
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You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have
some idea in your head.
On the nuclear clock? I ignore it
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.
Science is al lot more than creating something new. It is
more the study of the real world so it can e explained and
understood.
Is that not what I stated?
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Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life as
made by God.
Aircraft were built long before the fluid flow was
understood.. The flight of birds and bees (which are totally
different) only demonstrated it was possible for something
to fly.
Lol, guess that shows your knowledge. Obviously you are not even well read.
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Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
Better than whatever is in second place.
The animal kingdom relates much better to the world about them then man.They
can even read you better than your mom or dad.
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any
other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events
in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what
you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.
That is nice and vague. I agree no everything can be
explained but we are working on it. Plus it is not
necessary to disprove anything. If something is asserted as
being true it is that person who has the burden to provide
supporting evidence.
It is almost never necessary to disprove anything.
It is always wise to be totally cognizant
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There are Web sites with the testimony of people who have experience
miracles, healing, etc.
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM
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And case studied for independent verifications so
that people like yourself could see, yet the high majority of them do nothing
but disbelieve.
Actual supporting evidence would not require belief.
Tell the disbelieving doctor that when the person who had no arm. All of a
sudden had a totally functional arm and hand of flesh and bone.

I didn't bother to check your YouTube videos as there was no description.
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Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.
I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter
how fans might like to think they were all true.
That would depend on what sources you used and whether the
accounts you described were verified by similar accounts
written by independent sources.
No, it wouldn't, for reasons I gave above. Ask the author of Gone with the
Wind.
That would be difficult. She is dead.
I thought we were talking about your hypothetical civil war
rendition.
We were. And that book you mentioned was part of it. Look at what the author
said about her story.
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The is a book, Guns of the South, which uses characters and
events verified by a number of independent sources but it
also postulates the South being armed with AK47's and what
that would mean for the outcome. Needless to say it does
not pretend to be true in the basic storyline but it is
still a document.
No, a thesis of sorts perhaps, but it documents nothing.
There is a difference between documenting something and a
document. One is a rendition or description of an event
while the other is a recorded record which may or may not be
correct.
Sorry, me shaking my head.
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Just because some characters, geographical locations, and
events are independently verified does absolutely nothing to
validate the remainder of the book.
I had to laugh at that, since you just got through explaining in the scenario
that I pointed our regarding my gggandfather and the civil war, the reasons
why it could be real and justified.
So which is it?
It would depend on whether or not there were other accounts
by other people who were there at the time and recorded the
accounts entirely separate and independent from what your
relative said. The key factors are unrelated, separate and
creditable as well as independently verifiable.
Another one of your hypotheticals. :(
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Exactly the same can be said for your bible.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd
that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder, everyone
knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking
about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion
based
on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.
The names really don't matter. The fact remains that
personal experiences are of use only to the one individual
who may have had the experience.
Again you assume incorrectly having failed to read what was written, both
here and originally.
You try to make a mass experience recorded in one place
become a verified fact. It doesn't.
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Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
As usual the point discussed runs into vagueness, ambiguity,
and a total void of any unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible supporting evidence.
I told you at the fore what I was going to do and not due. So this part of
this thread is finished. So quit trolling.
I am not trolling. You are making assumptions that you are
not supporting.
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BTW, there are and have been few more culturally destructive
people than missionaries.
You speak generically based on what you have never verified.
History is full of examples.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Why do you think people run games on me? I don't try to
prove everything my self but what I accept as valid are
those things that I am confident if I wished to study and
learn the details and had the necessary equipment I could
reproduce the results myself.
So people have been running games on you because you consider yourself
smarter than others. You couldn't even see the differences between things of
God and religion speaking, and never bothered to see what it was all about
for yourself. You, per God are to test the spirits and try them to see
whether they be of God, and what is the measuring stick? the Bible.
I do not and will not bother with details when the bedrock
is unverified, I have yet to see any valid evidence
supporting the existence of any god. Until I see such
evidence I will not waste time trying to sort out the
flavors.

Your comments all assume there is a god and your bible is
correct. Why is that?
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Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.
Are you not aware of the factors involved with climate
change as well as weather change? The two are related but
not the same. There is certainly no supernatural element
anywhere in the equation.
Did I mention any, or is that the boogey man speaking to you?
Your comments all imply some supernatural entity in the
background.
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I am more aware than many, I also know to weather patterns of the past, and I
know the predicted future.
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And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.
Are you talking about the nuclear countdown clock? That is
a political measurement somebody dreamed up and sets
according to the political climate and international
hotspots involving nuclear powers. It has nothing to do
with any silly superstitions.
It is more than a nuclear clock, it is dependent on social change as well.
Which you mentioned.
The actual name is the Doomsday Clock and while there is
social input it is basically a clock that indicates how long
it may be until there is a nuclear war.
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You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have
some idea in your head.
On the nuclear clock? I ignore it
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.
Science is al lot more than creating something new. It is
more the study of the real world so it can e explained and
understood.
Is that not what I stated?
No. Understanding a process is not considered reverse
engineering.
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Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life as
made by God.
Aircraft were built long before the fluid flow was
understood.. The flight of birds and bees (which are totally
different) only demonstrated it was possible for something
to fly.
Lol, guess that shows your knowledge. Obviously you are not even well read.
I am well read enough to know there is no verification any
god did anything. Yes, I noticed how you tried to slip that
"made by god" in the above comment. Of course, since you
claim this I am sure you can prove it.
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Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
Better than whatever is in second place.
The animal kingdom relates much better to the world about them then man.They
can even read you better than your mom or dad.
Man is a part of the "animal kingdom".
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any
other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events
in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what
you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.
That is nice and vague. I agree no everything can be
explained but we are working on it. Plus it is not
necessary to disprove anything. If something is asserted as
being true it is that person who has the burden to provide
supporting evidence.
It is almost never necessary to disprove anything.
It is always wise to be totally cognizant
Not when it requires a negative be proven. I have a pet
werewolf who gets along quite well with my vampire. Prove
me wrong.
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There are Web sites with the testimony of people who have experience
miracles, healing, etc.
http://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
http://youtu.be/ubNF9QNEQLA
http://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
http://youtu.be/_bnnmWYI0lM
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And case studied for independent verifications so
that people like yourself could see, yet the high majority of them do nothing
but disbelieve.
Actual supporting evidence would not require belief.
Tell the disbelieving doctor that when the person who had no arm. All of a
sudden had a totally functional arm and hand of flesh and bone.
You are saying there is actually a documented case of a
person re-growing an arm? How about a reference?
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I didn't bother to check your YouTube videos as there was no description.
The description was clear. The value of eyewitnesses.
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Anything written that confers non-verbal communication can
be considered a document. The accuracy of the document is
not inherent in the definition.
Gone With the Wind is a document.
Do you disagree?
No, as it documented nothing and was not meant to.
Parts have abundant independent verification. The intent is
irrelevant.
That similar things have happened, perhaps, yet they were never tied
personally to the story to the best of my knowledge.
I could write a Civil War Story based on one of my gggrandfathers who was a
general in the war based both on war stories, the actual history and timeline
of events, yet it would all be conjectures at this point and you could never
tie it in as a "document". Who knows, I might even be able to tie it in to
"Gone with the Wind", yet neither story would justify the other no matter
how fans might like to think they were all true.
That would depend on what sources you used and whether the
accounts you described were verified by similar accounts
written by independent sources.
No, it wouldn't, for reasons I gave above. Ask the author of Gone with the
Wind.
That would be difficult. She is dead.
I thought we were talking about your hypothetical civil war
rendition.
We were. And that book you mentioned was part of it. Look at what the author
said about her story.
Irrelevant. We are talking about content.
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The is a book, Guns of the South, which uses characters and
events verified by a number of independent sources but it
also postulates the South being armed with AK47's and what
that would mean for the outcome. Needless to say it does
not pretend to be true in the basic storyline but it is
still a document.
No, a thesis of sorts perhaps, but it documents nothing.
There is a difference between documenting something and a
document. One is a rendition or description of an event
while the other is a recorded record which may or may not be
correct.
Sorry, me shaking my head.
Sorry to introduce you to new concepts. I realize it can be
painful.

If I hold up a piece of paper with writing on it and say
"This is a document" would you reply "Not until I know what
it says"?
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Just because some characters, geographical locations, and
events are independently verified does absolutely nothing to
validate the remainder of the book.
I had to laugh at that, since you just got through explaining in the scenario
that I pointed our regarding my gggandfather and the civil war, the reasons
why it could be real and justified.
So which is it?
It would depend on whether or not there were other accounts
by other people who were there at the time and recorded the
accounts entirely separate and independent from what your
relative said. The key factors are unrelated, separate and
creditable as well as independently verifiable.
Another one of your hypotheticals. :(
That is a requirement, not a hypothetical.
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Exactly the same can be said for your bible.
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Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Can New York be far behind?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He
did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't
that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up
with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so
fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd
that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder,
everyone
knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be
second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking
about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion
based
on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking
that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass
hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.
The names really don't matter. The fact remains that
personal experiences are of use only to the one individual
who may have had the experience.
Again you assume incorrectly having failed to read what was written, both
here and originally.
You try to make a mass experience recorded in one place
become a verified fact. It doesn't.
What one place?
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Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
As usual the point discussed runs into vagueness, ambiguity,
and a total void of any unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible supporting evidence.
I told you at the fore what I was going to do and not due. So this part of
this thread is finished. So quit trolling.
I am not trolling. You are making assumptions that you are
not supporting.
Your words which are stating things I did not say, and trying to make it seem
as if I did, is trolling, I said clearly multiple times what I was not going
to do. And I re-enforced that by saying I expected you to attack me for it as
if I had no support, yet you had to troll.
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BTW, there are and have been few more culturally destructive
people than missionaries.
You speak generically based on what you have never verified.
History is full of examples.
As I just said, you speak generically, never verifying it. Vagaries, useful
ploy when trolling.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know
and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it
all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Why do you think people run games on me? I don't try to
prove everything my self but what I accept as valid are
those things that I am confident if I wished to study and
learn the details and had the necessary equipment I could
reproduce the results myself.
So people have been running games on you because you consider yourself
smarter than others. You couldn't even see the differences between things of
God and religion speaking, and never bothered to see what it was all about
for yourself. You, per God are to test the spirits and try them to see
whether they be of God, and what is the measuring stick? the Bible.
I do not and will not bother with details when the bedrock
is unverified, I have yet to see any valid evidence
supporting the existence of any god. Until I see such
evidence I will not waste time trying to sort out the
flavors.
Your comments all assume there is a god and your bible is
correct. Why is that?
I have explained that to you and others here several times. Why should I
believe that you would hear me any better now than before?
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Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.
Are you not aware of the factors involved with climate
change as well as weather change? The two are related but
not the same. There is certainly no supernatural element
anywhere in the equation.
Did I mention any, or is that the boogey man speaking to you?
Your comments all imply some supernatural entity in the
background.
That is the mindset of prejudiced people.
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I am more aware than many, I also know to weather patterns of the past, and I
know the predicted future.
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And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.
Are you talking about the nuclear countdown clock? That is
a political measurement somebody dreamed up and sets
according to the political climate and international
hotspots involving nuclear powers. It has nothing to do
with any silly superstitions.
It is more than a nuclear clock, it is dependent on social change as well.
Which you mentioned.
The actual name is the Doomsday Clock and while there is
social input it is basically a clock that indicates how long
it may be until there is a nuclear war.
With resulting total annihilation. the Bible does tell us about that day
coming in the near future. Fancy that. I won't bother you with the outcome,
but I will tell you that there is a real possibility of that day arriving in
less than twenty years. I can only be specific about the timing of that day
based on a soon coming sign post. That it will be 7 years after that sign
post.
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You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have
some idea in your head.
On the nuclear clock? I ignore it
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be
the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds
a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only
as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now
understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.
Science is al lot more than creating something new. It is
more the study of the real world so it can e explained and
understood.
Is that not what I stated?
No. Understanding a process is not considered reverse
engineering.
How old are you? Really, approximately in RL years.
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Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life
as made by God.
Aircraft were built long before the fluid flow was
understood.. The flight of birds and bees (which are totally
different) only demonstrated it was possible for something
to fly.
Lol, guess that shows your knowledge. Obviously you are not even well read.
I am well read enough to know there is no verification any
god did anything. Yes, I noticed how you tried to slip that
"made by god" in the above comment. Of course, since you
claim this I am sure you can prove it.
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Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
Better than whatever is in second place.
The animal kingdom relates much better to the world about them then man.They
can even read you better than your mom or dad.
Man is a part of the "animal kingdom".
Well I have been called an animal a time or two.
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any
other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events
in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction
and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences
of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what
you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book
was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely
for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.
That is nice and vague. I agree no everything can be
explained but we are working on it. Plus it is not
necessary to disprove anything. If something is asserted as
being true it is that person who has the burden to provide
supporting evidence.
It is almost never necessary to disprove anything.
It is always wise to be totally cognizant
Not when it requires a negative be proven. I have a pet
werewolf who gets along quite well with my vampire. Prove
me wrong.
One cannot carry on a conversation without being cognizant, and the is why
this thread have been declining rapidly.

There is one GREAT thing that did come out in this tho, and that you have
declared all things written as documents, as in document evidence. And the
Bible meets your standards for that.

So hence forth anyone can point to you as establishing the Bible as a
Document. And therefore the documented proof of God.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible.
It
is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own.
It
means
you
are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along,
along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth
in
six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He
did,
then
doing
it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in
the
park
for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating
is
how
God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't
that
say
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious
God!
So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry,
Mr.
14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified
source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences
between
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the
purist
in
the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in
Pompeii.
Where
are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what
they
were
doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
So what? It would be unlikely any two events would be exact
duplicates, especially when in different geological areas.
So far I have seen nothing that indicates and magic was
involved.
Nor should you.
It appears to me that you are implying it.
Never, magical is illusionary, not Godliness.
Irrelevant. The effect is the same - something happens
which appears to be outside of normal expectations. Neither
has actual factual support.
A primitive used to a horse and buggy would swear to seeing things
supernatural if he saw a Maserati zoom by with people dress up
with
city
clothing. If his eyes could even focus on things that went so
fast.
That
would be a low level description of a supernatural event.
No, that would be an actual event. The ability of an
observer has nothing to do with it.
As I said, it was a low level description used for an example. Odd
that
a
primitive person would understand that but not you.
This is why agenda oriented people cannot see clearly.
Primitives attribute everything they do not understand to
some invisible force (usually called a god) but as they
understand more and more about their world their need for
some silly superstition becomes less and less. No one today
thinks thunder is gods fighting.
No, they usually attribute it to evil entities. As to thunder,
everyone
knows
it is due to bowling balls in the sky.
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Agenda oriented people are bound by the constraints of their
agenda.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
Only to the intellectual who is ignorant.
That is the point. Many do not recognize ignorance when
they see it. Ignorance can be corrected but stupidity is
beyond hope.
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I could give you RL examples of people, problem is it would be
second
hand
statements coming from me which would give you the freedom to claim
bogus.
Examples of people what. Remember a personal experience has
meaning only to the one individual who has that experience.
You jumped too quickly to that conclusion, since what I was thinking
about
was a mass of people who saw the same thing and came to a conclusion
based
on
their knowledge. Hard to escape personal prejudices, eh? :)
Just what constitutes a "mass of people"? Have you ever
heard of Mass Hysteria?
Yes I have, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted this thinking
that
you somehow might try and tie that in. Problem is there was no mass
hysteria.
What was seen was seen by one and all.
How do you know this? BTW, just what was seen by "one and
all" and what are your sources?
I certainly hope you have more than one.
I said at the first mention of this that I was not going to go into great
detail and the names of the people involved. So make of it what you would
have done in the first place.
The names really don't matter. The fact remains that
personal experiences are of use only to the one individual
who may have had the experience.
Again you assume incorrectly having failed to read what was written, both
here and originally.
You try to make a mass experience recorded in one place
become a verified fact. It doesn't.
What one place?
You say you don't want to give details yet you expect to be
taken seriously. One place , more than one place - it
doesn't matter. Personal experiences are useless.
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Yes, there were more than one, and they were spread out amongst the nations
and peoples. They were Missionary friends of my parents, and I heard many
stories from them that were similar in nature. I would have to write a book
in order to cover them, so this is were I will leave it.
As usual the point discussed runs into vagueness, ambiguity,
and a total void of any unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible supporting evidence.
I told you at the fore what I was going to do and not due. So this part of
this thread is finished. So quit trolling.
I am not trolling. You are making assumptions that you are
not supporting.
Your words which are stating things I did not say, and trying to make it seem
as if I did, is trolling, I said clearly multiple times what I was not going
to do. And I re-enforced that by saying I expected you to attack me for it as
if I had no support, yet you had to troll.
You do not assume there is a god somewhere in your mix?
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BTW, there are and have been few more culturally destructive
people than missionaries.
You speak generically based on what you have never verified.
History is full of examples.
As I just said, you speak generically, never verifying it. Vagaries, useful
ploy when trolling.
Why did missionaries attempt to change people's cultures?
Our belief in the integrity and value of all human cultures
is quite a recent development. From the early 20th century,
anthropologists have taught us to try to understand all
societies in their own terms. Before then, Europeans
believed that all peoples could be placed somewhere along a
single spectrum from primitive superstition to modern
civilisation and rational ways of thinking. Such ideas
profoundly influenced Christian missionaries, who frequently
assumed that part of their job was to move people along the
spectrum so that they would become civilised, ‘just like
us’. A good example is provided by the Puritans – sometimes
described as the ‘hotter sort of Protestants’ – who
emigrated to North America in the early 17th century. The
Puritans made strenuous efforts to bring the gospel to the
indigenous inhabitants of the New England colonies. Like
other Europeans of the time, their most notable missionary,
John Eliot (1604–1690), believed that they needed to be
taught the principles of ‘civilisation’, which meant
persuading them to exchange their nomadic pattern of life
for a settled existence under European supervision. Such
attempts to reform the traditional lifestyle of the
indigenous peoples proved misguided, as they increased their
vulnerability to European diseases, to which they had no
resistance.

https://www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/articles/spreading-the-word-the-missionary-expansion-of-christianity

While it was acceptable at the time today we know better.
What gives a missionary the right to try to change a
culture.

Periodically there are news stories about people being held
for distribution of bibles in countries where such
proselytizing is illegal. Why is there an outcry because
some people were arrested for illegal activity? It is an
obvious attempt to chance the culture of the country
involved.
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Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
A flying horse would be supernatural. As would be a
werewolf, vampire, or ghost.
An awful lot of people have seen ghosts.
Never verified.
Does that justify calling them liars?
It doesn't mean they are correct.
Nor would it mean they were incorrect. Problem is that you cannot know
and
understand everything, and it is foolish to act as if you could know it
all.
Correct, but why should I accept something that has no
independent verification as being correct? Absence of proof
that something exists does not suggest that it does exist.
You accept those types of things all the time. You accept the words of others
for many things and have not gone out and verified it for yourself, not have
you tried disproving what they say. This is why people can run games on you.
Why do you think people run games on me? I don't try to
prove everything my self but what I accept as valid are
those things that I am confident if I wished to study and
learn the details and had the necessary equipment I could
reproduce the results myself.
So people have been running games on you because you consider yourself
smarter than others. You couldn't even see the differences between things of
God and religion speaking, and never bothered to see what it was all about
for yourself. You, per God are to test the spirits and try them to see
whether they be of God, and what is the measuring stick? the Bible.
I do not and will not bother with details when the bedrock
is unverified, I have yet to see any valid evidence
supporting the existence of any god. Until I see such
evidence I will not waste time trying to sort out the
flavors.
Your comments all assume there is a god and your bible is
correct. Why is that?
I have explained that to you and others here several times. Why should I
believe that you would hear me any better now than before?
I simply wish to clear the air and establish where you are
coming from.

Apparently you don't wish to be held to anything specific
but prefer to be vague and obtuse. Could it be because you
cannot provide any verification for any specific position?
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Take the weather crisis for example, first it was the ice age is coming, then
it was the planet is getting hotter, now it has all morphed into violent
swings in the weather. The reasonings have changed over the years, and now
the purposes are to control you life. If there were proof all along, then the
reasons would not be changing constantly.
Are you not aware of the factors involved with climate
change as well as weather change? The two are related but
not the same. There is certainly no supernatural element
anywhere in the equation.
Did I mention any, or is that the boogey man speaking to you?
Your comments all imply some supernatural entity in the
background.
That is the mindset of prejudiced people.
Then you deny there is a supernatural component to your
position? Nothing involving any supposedly god or religion?
Or as I call it silly superstition?
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I am more aware than many, I also know to weather patterns of the past, and I
know the predicted future.
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And then we were all told the end of the earth was supposed to happen 40 or
more years ago, and then readjusted as each milestone was passed. Now they
claim the end is imminent and only seconds away for midnight.
Are you talking about the nuclear countdown clock? That is
a political measurement somebody dreamed up and sets
according to the political climate and international
hotspots involving nuclear powers. It has nothing to do
with any silly superstitions.
It is more than a nuclear clock, it is dependent on social change as well.
Which you mentioned.
The actual name is the Doomsday Clock and while there is
social input it is basically a clock that indicates how long
it may be until there is a nuclear war.
With resulting total annihilation. the Bible does tell us about that day
coming in the near future.
All a part of the Fear Factor so important for success.
Superstitions will try anything to make the alternative to
believing them as unpleasant as possible. And organized
religion has spent 2000 years honing the message.
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Fancy that. I won't bother you with the outcome,
but I will tell you that there is a real possibility of that day arriving in
less than twenty years. I can only be specific about the timing of that day
based on a soon coming sign post. That it will be 7 years after that sign
post.
How handy for you. Make something vague happen at some
unspecified time (which will continue to be adjusted) as a
threat to Do The Right Thing (as defined by you) or else.
The else usually applies after death so you are unable to
actually prove anything.
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You personally have not verified nor disproven any of this and I do not know
what you believe on this, yet as prevalent as the topic is you must have
some idea in your head.
On the nuclear clock? I ignore it
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Do you really think you know all there
is to know regarding reality?
Nope. That is what science is for.
LOL, the bulk of science is nothing but mans best attempts at reverse
engineering. Sometimes they find a fragment of truth, thinking it to be
the
whole truth, when up pops good old Jack in the Box, who laughingly adds
a
nuance that forces a rethink and rebuild of their Fact, now shown only
as
theoretical as they try to firm up the theory hoping that they now
understand
the whole picture.
I see you have no clue as to what science actually is.
"the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation,
experimentation, and the testing of theories against the
evidence obtained."
ROTFLOL!! Taken what is seen, felt, etc. and studying what is already here to
find out the cause and effect behind it all, if any. IS reverse engineering.
It is not creating anything new.
Science is al lot more than creating something new. It is
more the study of the real world so it can e explained and
understood.
Is that not what I stated?
No. Understanding a process is not considered reverse
engineering.
How old are you? Really, approximately in RL years.
Why do you wish to know?
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Even the studies of the birds and bee's, etc. gives us the understanding to
build vehicles that fly. "New" designs based on already established life
as made by God.
Aircraft were built long before the fluid flow was
understood.. The flight of birds and bees (which are totally
different) only demonstrated it was possible for something
to fly.
Lol, guess that shows your knowledge. Obviously you are not even well read.
I am well read enough to know there is no verification any
god did anything. Yes, I noticed how you tried to slip that
"made by god" in the above comment. Of course, since you
claim this I am sure you can prove it.
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Thank you for that !!!
Just because something is documented does not mean it is
valid. It simply means it is recorded somewhere and does
not depend on oral transmission.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.
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Yeah, we so smart. NOT.
Better than whatever is in second place.
The animal kingdom relates much better to the world about them then man.They
can even read you better than your mom or dad.
Man is a part of the "animal kingdom".
Well I have been called an animal a time or two.
You are, as am I.
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A lot of people have been abducted by
aliens. Many have seen pink flying elephants.
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The only evidence involved is that some cities were
destroyed. Some indications of how but nothing more.
Evidence no matter how poor, that is unexplainable in any
other
rational
way
leaves the door open for verification of the historic events
in
the
Bible.
Or some other rational explanation. Besides just because an
event mentioned actually occurred does nothing to validate
the remainder of the document. Atlanta actually burned and
the Civil War occurred. Does that make Gone With the Wind
an accurate historical document?
That is irrational thinking.
In what way? Why are the documents different?
The simple fact that you wonder why shows your rationality.
I see you would prefer not to address the actual question. I
understand.
I am a bit confused - just what am I supposed to be
"wondering why" about?
With your up to date understanding of non-fiction verses fiction
and
of
things real vs not real. You expect me to explain the differences
of
the
two
books? One a document, the other a fictional piece?
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One is presented as being real while the other is presented
as being fiction. However, it has been proven that parts of
the "real" book are wrong while parts of the fiction is
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The only difference is basically the opinion of the person
discussing the book.
Then who would be correct?
About what?
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If you were unable to grasp that reality, then I apologize for
assuming
your
intelligence to be greater than it was.
"a piece of written, printed, or electronic matter that
provides information or evidence or that serves as an
official record"
I take it that the above is the definition of a "Document" and what
you
wrote below is your translation of it?
It shows how the definition applies here.
Per your understanding, perhaps.
Per the clear definition of the word.
Nope, and you showed that yourself by your statement.Parts of the book
was
based on others RL experiences so as to make it appear real and timely
for
its day. Except they were never the real characters of the story.
Irrelevant. The same can be said for your bible. Where is
the independent verification for it's more unlikely claims?
All around you, but you mock them, make excuses for them, yet you cannot
explain and verify or disprove the facts of what is going on. So you make
excuses, and rationalize with your self limited understandings the things
that happen so that you do not have to deal with them.
That is nice and vague. I agree no everything can be
explained but we are working on it. Plus it is not
necessary to disprove anything. If something is asserted as
being true it is that person who has the burden to provide
supporting evidence.
It is almost never necessary to disprove anything.
It is always wise to be totally cognizant
Not when it requires a negative be proven. I have a pet
werewolf who gets along quite well with my vampire. Prove
me wrong.
One cannot carry on a conversation without being cognizant, and the is why
this thread have been declining rapidly.
You have show a conversation can continue based upon vague
generalities, which is convenient since that means there are
no specifics that require support.

I have noticed this is not uncommon whenever some god or
silly superstition is involved.
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There is one GREAT thing that did come out in this tho, and that you have
declared all things written as documents, as in document evidence. And the
Bible meets your standards for that.
Sorry - that is only one source and a single unverified
source is about as useless as can be found. Anyone can
write anything down - that simply means it is not in oral
form. Your bible has no independent and unrelated
verification. In fact it has been edited and translated
mostly by a single organization who depend on it's
acceptance for it very existence. The power and wealth of
the organization requires your bible not be questioned so it
will defend what it says to any length necessary.
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So hence forth anyone can point to you as establishing the Bible as a
Document. And therefore the documented proof of God.
Nope. Missed again.

You may as well say any book is valid and none are lies,
myth, or fiction.
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
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Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
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Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
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Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
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Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole Bible. It is
really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It means you are
stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high places
frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass along, along
the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the earth in six
literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did, then doing it
within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the park for
Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that say
something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you; sorry, Mr. 14
Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences between
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the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist in the
world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii. Where are
the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they were doing
when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
And don't let anybody claim Sodom was purely fictional, as there are
very ancient (like 3rd millennium BCE) records referring to it.

It was a city destroyed by volcanic activity, apparently, and as with
the Black Sea flood, never forgotten but retained in oral tradition.
The theory that it was an exceptionally evil place was just an
explanation of why the gods decided to destroy it as they did.
Attila
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 03:51:26 -0500, Ted
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:59:56 -0800, Dr. Who
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:52:08 +1100, Michael McLean
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The Lord has asked me to take someone through the whole
Bible. It is
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really the Lord, though, as I have no power of my own. It
means you are
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stuck with me for a little while longer.
Try to contain your joy! Please, no hinds' feet in high
places
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frolicking in ecstasy!
However, I sense a great blessing for my atheist and
diabolical
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religious friends!
We went through Genesis Chapter 1 yesterday. I will pass
along, along
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the way, "some" points that are helpful to you.
Here is one now: God clearly created the heavens and the
earth in six
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literal days. That's the end of the story.
If He can create a universe and you, which clearly He did,
then doing it
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within the morning and evening of 6 days is a walk in the
park for
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Him...more like a syllable from His mouth. What's
fascinating is how
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God worked in the light, and not in the dark. Doesn't that
say
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something about God's nature from the very start! A
glorious God!
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So, no self-created "Big Bang" instant creation for you;
sorry, Mr. 14
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Billion. Can you see a contradiction? That is just a
by-the-by.
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Mike
Why do you think posting something from an unverified source
could possibly be of any use to anyone?
Why do you think that the proven destruction of Sodom and
surrounding
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Post by Attila
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cities,
is not evidence?
Do you think that is the only example in history of a city
being destroyed?
Are you aware Pompeii was destroyed by fire and brimstone?
Have you studied or at least have knowledge of the major
differences between
Post by Dr. Who
the two?
In Sodom there is still little balls of sulphur that are the purist
in the
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world and are easily ignited No such thing can be found in Pompeii.
Where are
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the buildings in Sodom, or people frozen in the act of what they
were doing
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when destruction came? Hugh differences like night and day.
And don't let anybody claim Sodom was purely fictional, as there are
very ancient (like 3rd millennium BCE) records referring to it.
It was a city destroyed by volcanic activity, apparently, and as with
the Black Sea flood, never forgotten but retained in oral tradition.
The theory that it was an exceptionally evil place was just an
explanation of why the gods decided to destroy it as they did.
An early "What happens in Sodom remains in Sodom"?
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