Discussion:
Ancient christers fed to lions
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Jack Sovalot
2023-11-30 07:09:32 UTC
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Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something as
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose to be
fed to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions because
they were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
Michael Christ
2023-11-30 21:28:08 UTC
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Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something as
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose to be fed
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions because they
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
And 70 virgins? :-). What about a nice condo?

It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.

They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God, their love
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.

A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their God.

And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart full, overflowing
with the love of God; cup runneth over. The Lord Jesus Christ is God
and He is the promised land.

Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.





Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
Jack Sovalot
2023-12-01 01:23:37 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:28:08 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something as
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose to be fed
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions because they
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
And 70 virgins? :-). What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.
They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God, their love
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their God.
And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart full,
overflowing
Post by Michael Christ
with the love of God; cup runneth over. The Lord Jesus Christ is God
and He is the promised land.
Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones. Yet
there are significant differences. How many christers nowadays are
happy about dying?
Michael Christ
2023-12-01 02:59:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jack Sovalot
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:28:08 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something as >
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose to
be fed
Post by Jack Sovalot
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions because
they
Post by Jack Sovalot
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
And 70 virgins?  :-).  What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.
They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God, their
love
Post by Jack Sovalot
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their God.
And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart full,
overflowing
Post by Jack Sovalot
with the love of God; cup runneth over.  The Lord Jesus Christ is
God
Post by Jack Sovalot
and He is the promised land.
Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones.
It depends who you are talking about, the 100%ers, or a less than 100%ers.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Yet there
are significant differences.
As above.
Post by Jack Sovalot
How many christers nowadays are happy about
dying?
That is a good question. I haven't found anyone in 36 years. From what
I have seen, so-called believers cling to their sin life, the way they
are, like sticky wet silicone would stick to a man that dives into a tub
of the stuff!

Look at that JW James fellow, he even translates bible verses into
self-righteous, imaginary sin-justification silicone, and then dives in
like he is in an Olympic games diving competition!

As far as I am concerned, every day is one day closer.




Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
Jack Sovalot
2023-12-02 08:13:59 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:59:28 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:28:08 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something as >
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose to
be fed
Post by Jack Sovalot
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions
because
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
they
Post by Jack Sovalot
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
And 70 virgins?  :-).  What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.
They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God,
their
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
love
Post by Jack Sovalot
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their God.
And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart full,
overflowing
Post by Jack Sovalot
with the love of God; cup runneth over.  The Lord Jesus Christ is
God
Post by Jack Sovalot
and He is the promised land.
Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones.
It depends who you are talking about, the 100%ers, or a less than 100%ers.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Yet there
are significant differences.
As above.
Post by Jack Sovalot
How many christers nowadays are happy about
dying?
That is a good question. I haven't found anyone in 36 years. From what
I have seen, so-called believers cling to their sin life, the way they
are, like sticky wet silicone would stick to a man that dives into a tub
of the stuff!
And you've no doubt witnessed more than I have, in your profession.
Post by Michael Christ
Look at that JW James fellow, he even translates bible verses into
self-righteous, imaginary sin-justification silicone, and then
dives in
Post by Michael Christ
like he is in an Olympic games diving competition!
LOL. Btw, JWs don't believe they're going to heaven when they die.
Post by Michael Christ
As far as I am concerned, every day is one day closer.
True.
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
I think I know why Christians are so afraid of dying, even though
they believe they'll be immediately transported to heaven afterward.

Google modular brain. Their conscious brain modules believe
completely that will happen, but they have other brain modules that
know it isn't true.
Michael Christ
2023-12-02 21:45:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jack Sovalot
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:59:28 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:28:08 +1100, Michael Christ >
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing something
as >
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they chose
to
Post by Michael Christ
be fed
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions
because
Post by Michael Christ
they
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
Post by Jack Sovalot
And 70 virgins?  :-).  What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.
They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God,
their
Post by Michael Christ
love
Post by Jack Sovalot
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their
God.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart full, >
overflowing
Post by Jack Sovalot
with the love of God; cup runneth over.  The Lord Jesus Christ
is
Post by Michael Christ
God
Post by Jack Sovalot
and He is the promised land.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones.
It depends who you are talking about,  the 100%ers, or a less than
100%ers.
Post by Michael Christ
Yet there > are significant differences.
As above.
How many christers nowadays are happy about > dying?
That is a good question.  I haven't found anyone in 36 years.  From
what
Post by Michael Christ
I have seen, so-called believers cling to their sin life, the way
they
Post by Michael Christ
are, like sticky wet silicone would stick to a man that dives into
a tub
Post by Michael Christ
of the stuff!
And you've no doubt witnessed more than I have, in your profession.
Post by Michael Christ
Look at that JW James fellow, he even translates bible verses into
self-righteous, imaginary sin-justification silicone, and then
dives in
Post by Michael Christ
like he is in an Olympic games diving competition!
LOL. Btw, JWs don't believe they're going to heaven when they die.
From what I was told, mostly yes, they believe they are for the new
earth and only a certain few go to heaven.

That always struck me like a flaccid appendage on a wedding night. If
you love God and He is in heaven, where else would you want to be?

And therein is the rub.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Michael Christ
As far as I am concerned, every day is one day closer.
True.
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
I think I know why Christians are so afraid of dying, even though they
believe they'll be immediately transported to heaven afterward.
Google modular brain. Their conscious brain modules believe completely
that will happen, but they have other brain modules that know it isn't
true.
Why do you suppose the latter is true? I know what my answer is, but I
want to know what you think first.




Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
Jack Sovalot
2023-12-03 01:34:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 08:45:20 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:59:28 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:28:08 +1100, Michael Christ >
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing
something
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
as >
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they
chose
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
to
Post by Michael Christ
be fed
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions
because
Post by Michael Christ
they
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
Post by Jack Sovalot
And 70 virgins?  :-).  What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One you love.
They died for what was in their hearts, their love for God,
their
Post by Michael Christ
love
Post by Jack Sovalot
for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny their
God.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart
full, >
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Michael Christ
overflowing
Post by Jack Sovalot
with the love of God; cup runneth over.  The Lord Jesus
Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
is
Post by Michael Christ
God
Post by Jack Sovalot
and He is the promised land.
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Jack Sovalot
Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones.
It depends who you are talking about,  the 100%ers, or a less than
100%ers.
Post by Michael Christ
Yet there > are significant differences.
As above.
How many christers nowadays are happy about > dying?
That is a good question.  I haven't found anyone in 36 years.  From
what
Post by Michael Christ
I have seen, so-called believers cling to their sin life, the way
they
Post by Michael Christ
are, like sticky wet silicone would stick to a man that dives into
a tub
Post by Michael Christ
of the stuff!
And you've no doubt witnessed more than I have, in your
profession.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Jack Sovalot
Post by Michael Christ
Look at that JW James fellow, he even translates bible verses into
self-righteous, imaginary sin-justification silicone, and then
dives in
Post by Michael Christ
like he is in an Olympic games diving competition!
LOL. Btw, JWs don't believe they're going to heaven when they die.
From what I was told, mostly yes, they believe they are for the new
earth and only a certain few go to heaven.
That always struck me like a flaccid appendage on a wedding night.
If
Post by Michael Christ
you love God and He is in heaven, where else would you want to be?
And therein is the rub.
That's a good point! I wonder how a JW would respond to it.
Post by Michael Christ
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As far as I am concerned, every day is one day closer.
True.
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I think I know why Christians are so afraid of dying, even though they
believe they'll be immediately transported to heaven afterward.
Google modular brain. Their conscious brain modules believe
completely
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that will happen, but they have other brain modules that know it isn't
true.
Why do you suppose the latter is true? I know what my answer is, but I
want to know what you think first.
Assuming the hypothesis is valid, it may be because modern Christians
are much more frequently exposed to the opinions of unbelievers who
are respected in society and hence quite credible.
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Most often, they could've avoided it simply be doing
something
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as >
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harmless as burn a piece of incense to Jupiter. But they
chose
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to
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be fed
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to the lions instead. They wanted to be fed to the lions >
because
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they
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were certain they'd be immediately rewarded in heaven.
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And 70 virgins?  :-).  What about a nice condo?
It wasn't harmless, it would have been denying the One
you love.
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They died for what was in their hearts, their love for
God,
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their
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love
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for who He is, their love of the truth of who He is.
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A true believer, a real one, would die rather than deny
their
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God.
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And they "already had their reward" as it is a heart
full, >
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overflowing
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with the love of God; cup runneth over.  The Lord Jesus
Christ
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is
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God
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and He is the promised land.
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Look at Stephen; he stood up for what he already had.
Michael Christ
Modern christers believe as fervently as did the ancient ones. >
It depends who you are talking about,  the 100%ers, or a less
than
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100%ers.
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Yet there > are significant differences. > > >> As above.
How many christers nowadays are happy about > dying?
That is a good question.  I haven't found anyone in 36 years.
From
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what
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I have seen, so-called believers cling to their sin life, the
way
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they
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are, like sticky wet silicone would stick to a man that dives
into
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a tub
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of the stuff!
And you've no doubt witnessed more than I have, in your
profession.
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Look at that JW James fellow, he even translates bible verses
into
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self-righteous, imaginary sin-justification silicone, and then >
dives in
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like he is in an Olympic games diving competition!
LOL. Btw, JWs don't believe they're going to heaven when they die.
 From what I was told, mostly yes, they believe they are for the
new
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earth and only a certain few go to heaven.
That always struck me like a flaccid appendage on a wedding night.
If
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you love God and He is in heaven, where else would you want to be?
And therein is the rub.
That's a good point! I wonder how a JW would respond to it.
With bullshit.
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As far as I am concerned, every day is one day closer.
True.
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Michael Christ
I think I know why Christians are so afraid of dying, even though
they
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believe they'll be immediately transported to heaven afterward.
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Google modular brain. Their conscious brain modules believe
completely
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that will happen, but they have other brain modules that know it
isn't
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true.
Why do you suppose the latter is true?  I know what my answer is,
but I
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want to know what you think first.
Assuming the hypothesis is valid, it may be because modern Christians
are much more frequently exposed to the opinions of unbelievers who are
respected in society and hence quite credible.
You are right.

They are definitely heavily influenced by the secular standards of
society, that is for sure! A sad pitiful reality, and an antichrist one.

Let's see, I have to focus and remember now. I am having a couple of
scotches with my wife tonight, so I have to concentrate more. Don't
tell those holy, sinner, self-righteous, religionists on me, will you.
Those filthy dirty sinners will inform their perfect pastors on me. :-).

So, why do they really think it isn't true? They don't love God with
all their heart, so it is all in the head, and the head isn't enough
oomph to believe.

The bible verse that comes to mind is...

Rom 10:10  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;

Not the head.

Or, why don't people say, I love you with all my head?

Religion in the head is worthless, it must be with all the heart
(spirit) or it is nothing but a religion, or as you put it and infer, a
"brain module" of unbelief.

I hope that makes sense. If it doesn't, tell me, and I'll try again.





Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
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