Washing of regeneration

[Dr. Who]

“But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man
appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the
hope of eternal life.” (Tit 3:4-7)

3:5 He saved us from the guilt and penalty of all our sins—past, present,
and future. They were all future when the Savior died, and His death covered
them all. But one of the simplest, clearest truths of the gospel is the most
difficult for man to receive. It is that salvation is not
based on goodworks; one doesn't become a Christian by living a Christian
life. It is not good people who go to heaven. The consistent testimony of the
Bible is that man cannot earn or merit salvation (Eph 2:9; Rom 3:20; Rom
4:4-5; Rom 9:16; Rom 11:6 Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). Man cannot save himself by
good works; all his righteous deeds are like polluted rags in God's sight
(Isa 64:6). He cannot become a Christian by living a Christian life for the
simple reason that he has no power in himself to live a Christian life. It is
not good people who go to heaven; it is sinners who have been saved by God's
grace!

Good works do not earn salvation; they are the result of salvation. Wherever
there is true salvation there will also be good works. So we read that God
did not save us because of works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to His mercy. Salvation is a work of mercy—not justice. Justice
demands that the deserved punishment be administered; mercy
provides a righteous way by which the punishment is averted.

God saved us by the washing of regeneration. Conversion is really a new
creation (2Co 5:17), and here that new creation is presented under the figure
of a bath. It is the same figure used by the Lord Jesus when He taught the
disciples that there is only one bath of regeneration but many necessary
cleansings from defilement (Joh 13:10). That bath of regeneration has nothing
to do with baptism. It is not a bodily cleansing by water, but a moral
cleansing by the word of God (Joh 15:3). Baptism is not even a symbol of this
bath; it rather depicts burial with Christ into death (Rom 6:4).

Our new birth is also spoken of as a renewing of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit
of God brings about a marvelous transformation—not putting new clothes on
the old man, but putting a new man in the clothes! The Holy Spirit is the
Agent in regeneration and the word of God is the instrument. [BBC]

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Regarding the subject; for the rest of the entire story about regeneration:

Christ lays out a process of two parts; believe and be baptised:

16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature.

And what is the core of that gospel:

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned.

In Acts we see the above in action; Peter directs seekers to baptism for
the remission of sin. Likewise, Paul is directed to be baptised for the
washing away of his sins.

Paul lays out the above renewal unto salvation with the rising of ourselves
from baptism; as did Christ rise from the tomb:

6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?

6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?

6:4 Therefore we are

up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk
in newness of life.

6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of
sin might be


6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live


6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death
hath no more dominion over him.

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16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature.
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned.
In Acts we see the above in action; Peter directs seekers to baptism for
the remission of sin. Likewise, Paul is directed to be baptised for the
washing away of his sins.
Paul lays out the above renewal unto salvation with the rising of ourselves
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk
in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of
sin might be
6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live
6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death
hath no more dominion over him.

“But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man
appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the
hope of eternal life.” (Tit 3:4-7)

3:5 He saved us from the guilt and penalty of all our sins—past, present,
and future. They were all future when the Savior died, and His death covered
them all. But one of the simplest, clearest truths of the gospel is the most
difficult for man to receive. It is that salvation is not based on goodworks;
one doesn't become a Christian by living a Christian life. It is not good
people who go to heaven. The consistent testimony of the Bible is that man
cannot earn or merit salvation (Eph 2:9; Rom 3:20; Rom 4:4-5; Rom 9:16; Rom
11:6 Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). Man cannot save himself by good works; all his
righteous deeds are like polluted rags in God's sight (Isa 64:6). He cannot
become a Christian by living a Christian life for the simple reason that he
has no power in himself to live a Christian life. It is not good people who
go to heaven; it is sinners who have been saved by God's grace!

Good works do not earn salvation; they are the result of salvation. Wherever
there is true salvation there will also be good works. So we read that God
did not save us because of works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to His mercy. Salvation is a work of mercy—not justice. Justice
demands that the deserved punishment be administered; mercy provides a
righteous way by which the punishment is averted.

God saved us by the washing of regeneration. Conversion is really a new
creation (2Co 5:17), and here that new creation is presented under the figure
of a bath. It is the same figure used by the Lord Jesus when He taught the
disciples that there is only one bath of regeneration but many necessary
cleansings from defilement (Joh 13:10). That bath of regeneration has nothing
to do with baptism. It is not a bodily cleansing by water, but a moral
cleansing by the word of God (Joh 15:3). Baptism is not even a symbol of this
bath; it rather depicts burial with Christ into death (Rom 6:4).

Our new birth is also spoken of as a renewing of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit
of God brings about a marvelous transformation—not putting new clothes on
the old man, but putting a new man in the clothes! The Holy Spirit is the
Agent in regeneration and the word of God is the instrument. [BBC]

[unknown]

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16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature.
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned.
In Acts we see the above in action; Peter directs seekers to baptism for
the remission of sin. Likewise, Paul is directed to be baptised for the
washing away of his sins.
Paul lays out the above renewal unto salvation with the rising of ourselves
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk
in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of
sin might be
6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live
6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death
hath no more dominion over him.

Robert who offers some background info by which the process of "believe

âBut after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man
appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to
his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the
hope of eternal life.â (Tit 3:4-7)

Amen, the above the foundation by which Christ taught "believe and be
baptised" unto salvation from the Mark was established. Paul then declares
in the Romans above we rise from baptism unto newness and eternal life..

[Dr. Who]

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6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?

What did Paul mean by the word baptize in this third verse? I do not think he
refers to water baptism primarily. Don't misunderstand me; I believe in water
baptism, and I believe that immersion best sets forth what is taught here.
But actually he is talking about identification with Christ. You see, the
translators did not translate the Greek word baptiz, they merely
transliterated it. That is they just spelled the Greek word out in English,
because baptiz has so many meanings. In my Greek lexicon there are about
twenty meanings for this word. Actually baptiz could refer to dyeing your
hair. In fact, there was a group in Asia Minor who dyed their hair purple;
and they belonged to a bapti group. But here in Rom 6:3 Paul is speaking
about identification with Jesus Christ. We were baptized or identified into
His death. In 1Co 12:13 Paul says, “For by one Spirit are we all baptized
into one body ….” We are identified in the death of Christ, as Paul will
explain in the next verse.

[buried with him by baptism] Baptism is by burial, regardless of what kind of
baptism it is (note, Act 8:36-38).

Baptism would only occur after they believed.

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Robert who with part of the Paul in Romans on baptism unto newness and
eternal life:¬>

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6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?

Snipped, totally unatributed,,ie. plagiarized commentary not from the
thinking of Robert who, quite a commen practice sadly:>

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Baptism would only occur after they believed.

Indeed, and Paul after coming to believe was directed to be baptised for
"the remission of his sins" in acts ,ie. the rest of the story. Christ
said there is an "and is" part following belief,ie. more of the rest of the
story, Mark:

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that

[Dr. Who]

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Robert who with part of the Paul in Romans on baptism unto newness and
eternal life:¬>

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6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus

Christ were

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baptized into his death?

Snipped, totally unatributed,,ie. plagiarized commentary not from the
thinking of Robert who, quite a commen practice sadly:>

Post by Dr. Who
Baptism would only occur after they believed.

Indeed, and Paul after coming to believe was directed to be baptised for
"the remission of his sins" in acts ,ie. the rest of the story. Christ
said there is an "and is" part following belief,ie. more of the rest of the
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that

What you fail to honor in that scripture, you do continually., The last
portion of that scripture reads as this,... 16:16 but he that believeth not
shall be damned.

As you can see here it only mentions that the damned are the unbelievers, NOT
those that were never baptized. Therefore it is only proper to understand
that baptism or lack of it does not determine salvation, nor does it
determine damnation. Whereas confession with the mouth of belief is
necessary.

Also what should be noted here is that water baptism is not specified here,
nor can you confirm that it is what baptism is all about. What I noted
previously is that baptism means to be totally immersed. Like a ship that has
sinked to the bottom of the ocean and is totally submerged with water
covering even the tips of any mast.

Only the blood of Christ washes away our sins, and that you cannot disprove.

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Robert who with part of the Paul in Romans on baptism unto newness and
eternal life:Ãâì>

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6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus

Christ were

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baptized into his death?

Snipped, totally unatributed,,ie. plagiarized commentary not from the
thinking of Robert who, quite a commen practice sadly:>

Post by Dr. Who
Baptism would only occur after they believed.

Indeed, and Paul after coming to believe was directed to be baptised for
"the remission of his sins" in acts ,ie. the rest of the story. Christ
said there is an "and is" part following belief,ie. more of the rest of the
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that

Robert who tries a bit of hand waving and only reveals a language

Post by Dr. Who
What you fail to honor in that scripture, you do continually., The last
portion of that scripture reads as this,... 16:16 but he that believeth not
shall be damned.
As you can see here it only mentions that the damned are the unbelievers, NOT
those that were never baptized. Therefore it is only proper to understand
that baptism or lack of it does not determine salvation, nor does it
determine damnation.

Hmmm, let's see. If I want to get the mail I first open the door and then
walk to the mailbox for the mail.

Both actions are required. If I don't open the door at all it is for
certain I will not reach the mail box to get the mail.

If I believe and am baptised salvation is there. If I never believe at all
it is sure salvation is not to be for me.

[Dr. Who]

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Robert who with part of the Paul in Romans on baptism unto newness and
eternal life:Ãâì>

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6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus

Christ were

Post by Dr. Who

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baptized into his death?

Snipped, totally unatributed,,ie. plagiarized commentary not from the
thinking of Robert who, quite a commen practice sadly:>

Post by Dr. Who
Baptism would only occur after they believed.

Indeed, and Paul after coming to believe was directed to be baptised for
"the remission of his sins" in acts ,ie. the rest of the story. Christ
said there is an "and is" part following belief,ie. more of the rest of the
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that

Robert who tries a bit of hand waving and only reveals a language

Post by Dr. Who
What you fail to honor in that scripture, you do continually., The last
portion of that scripture reads as this,... 16:16 but he that believeth not
shall be damned.
As you can see here it only mentions that the damned are the unbelievers, NOT
those that were never baptized. Therefore it is only proper to understand
that baptism or lack of it does not determine salvation, nor does it
determine damnation.

Hmmm, let's see. If I want to get the mail I first open the door and then
walk to the mailbox for the mail.
Both actions are required. If I don't open the door at all it is for
certain I will not reach the mail box to get the mail.

And when you do all that to receive mail, and it is not there, then what? All
your works of righteousness are as filthy rags.

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If I believe and am baptised salvation is there. If I never believe at all
it is sure salvation is not to be for me.

In a desert without a lake or a river there is no water for baptism, then you
die and go to hell? No mail?

Where is baptism of any type found here?

Act 26:18To open their eyes,and to turn them from darkness to light, and from
the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and
inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Gal 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 2:8 For by graceare ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:

1Pe 1:5 Who are keptby the power of God through faithunto salvation ready to
be revealed in the last time.

Therefor you do not have to walk to any mailbox, since it is Faith given to
man, by God, to believe. So the work is not of Man but all of it, by The
Heavenly Father.

No walking to the church to get it, no walking home to take a bath to wash
yourself. It is by Faith and that not of ourselves IT is the Gift of God, as
IS His Son. And it is HIS Mercy that our sins are not held against us, but
all washed away by the Blood of the Lamb.

You can keep following your tradition of men and Lose Big Time, or you can
humble yourself before the Almighty God and receive eternal life.

What is it going to be? By the word of God, or the traditions of men.

“There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the
ways of death.” (Pro 16:25)

This has nothing to do with me, it is between you and God.