Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodPost by Michael McLeanPost by One GodPost by Michael McLeanPost by One GodGod is One. He is not three. Jesus is not the Father.
Then your Jesus is not God in the flesh.
And you are wrong about Jesus being God in the flesh.
Jesus is not God. He is the Firstborn Son of God, of many brethren
who also are born of God in the exact same way that Jesus was. All
the brethren are made equal to Jesus and granted the power and glory
that Jesus inherited from the Father.
All you show me is that you really don't know God in your heart.
I speak the words I have heard from the Father.
Not the right Father.
Post by One GodYou speak the words of another, so your judgment has no power over me,
Satan.
I don't have any power.
So, you are safe there! :-).
"He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as
received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to
them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the
will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
If you have no power then you are not born of God. All who believe on
the Son of God have power to be born of God.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodI am from above saying words from above. You are saying words from below.
No one who says the Lord Jesus Christ was created speaks from above.
Says the Roman councils, but sayeth not a single chapter or verse of any
inspired holy writing.
This doctrine of Jesus being uncreated was invented by Philo the
Kabbalist, a Greek Philosopher, who was not a follower of Jesus. The
creeds of Nicea quoted Philo when rendering their doctrine of the
uncreated son in their trinity. Their source and origin for this
blasphemy is a pagan!
You are an idolator.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am
he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me,
I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath
not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."
You have to realise that God became a man of flesh. He placed His
Spirit in flesh.
Says Philo and the pagan philosophers. But says not any verse of the
scriptures. You repeat the philosophy of your Roman masters.
In truth the Father places his spirit in all flesh of all who believe on
the Son. This does not make them uncreated or co-eternal with the
Father. It makes them glorified with His immortality. They are still
created beings who are begotten or born again by the Father's Spirit.
Post by Michael McLeanHence, Mary was made pregnant from above with eternal substance/essence.
That is why the Lord Jesus is the same yesterday (eternity past),
today, and forever.
Says the philosophers. But says not the scripture. The scripture says
that the Holy Spirit overshadowed her. It does not say anything about
the Father's substance or essence. The same philosphers who talk of
God's substance, and say he is consubstantial with the Son, also say God
is immaterial, and has no substance. Substance is material, genius.
Post by Michael McLeanYou are confusing His manifestation in the flesh with our created state.
To be made manifest simply means to be shown or proved. It has nothing
to do with the substance of a thing, but rather the representation or
image of the thing being manifested. It is you who are confused.
When one pulls a rail car or ship up to a dock, he brings out the
manifest, which lists the things in the container. The manifest is not
the container or the things in it. It is merely an image that represents
those things.
In me there is no confusion, nor darkness, nor shadow of turning. I walk
in the light. You walk in gratuitous profanities, conjectures, and
philosophy of men.
You are an idolator.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
You place Jesus before the Father, a thing Jesus himself never did:
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I." [John 14:28]
The Father is greater than Jesus--not co-eternal and not co-equal.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodMr. McLean you are like your fathers who lifted up the Son of Man with
false accusation. It is you that do not know God. You can't even tell
the difference between the Father and the Son.
Yes, yes, I don't agree with you so I am hell boy on fire and condemned!
I've heard it for years, Bud.
Once again you put words on my part that I did not say. This is a clever
tactic of Cretans and Romans.
Post by Michael McLeanJoin the queue! :-).
Post by One GodSo when you say, "All you show me is that you really don't know God in
your heart," you speak of yourself and of your own. I speak what I
have heard from the Father. You speak what you have heard from the
Roman and Judean fathers, the masters of Hades and Sheol.
I simply told you the truth. "All you show me is that you really don't
know God in your heart." In other words, it is head knowledge. It has
always been head knowledge with you.
Your "truth" stinks like halitosis, Cretan.
Post by Michael McLeanThat is the problem.
You need to learn to do as you are told or you go nowhere.
You do not tell me anything except your lies and confusion.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodPost by Michael McLeanThe Lord Jesus was not created.
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every
CREATURE ....." [Colossians 1:15]
That is because everything was created through the Word, but the Word
has always been.
The Word is the Father. It is not the Son. You misinterpret the
scripture through your trinity lens. Nowhere does it say that Jesus is
the Word. The Word abides in Jesus. This does not mean the Word is Jesus.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God."
The Word hereof spoken is not Jesus. It is the Father expressing himself
as a spiritual form. For He said beforehand:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
This Light is the first act of the creation, the first thing created by
God the Father. And who is this created light?
"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world:
he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the
light of life."
For the Word says: "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God
divided the light from the darkness."
Jesus is the Light. He is not the Word. You confuse the Word and the
Light. It was the Word that created the Light. The Word is not God's
Son. The Word created God's first Son.
This same Word is in everyone who believes on the Son of God,
transforming them into Sons of Light. It does not make them co-eternal
with the Father.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodJesus was the first creature created by the Father. He certainly was
created. By saying the Jesus was not created you are denying his
existence and preaching another Jesus.
The Lord Jesus was not created, He came in the flesh out of the eternal
Spirit of a holy God. Before Abraham, He was.
You misinterpret the scripture. Jesus was not calling himself the "I
am." You only assume that because of your trinity delusion. It was the
Pharisees, who misinterpreted him, and accused him of calling himself
God the Father. So you are taking the testimony of unbelievers, and
using their testimony to prop up your doctrine. Fool.
For just before Jesus said this, he told the Pharisees in whom you trust:
"Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my
Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:"
By saying, "I am" Jesus was re-iterating his prior testimony that he is
God's Son. He was not calling himself the uncreated God.
The English interpretation of "I am" in that verse is ignorant of the
idiom of the phrase and what it refers to.
You grasp at one phrase you can twist to your intended meaning, not
understanding the Word, and deifying your delusion. This is idolatry and
blasphemy.
Post by Michael McLeanCol 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him,
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
You can't be the firstborn of every creature if you need to be
born/created in the first place...spiritually speaking.
Balderdash. What part of "born" don't you understand?
Post by Michael McLeanYou don't know the Lord Jesus. All you have is an info head about Him.
I have the scriptures of all the prophets and the Apostles, and I have
the Father's Spirit which dwells with me. You are arguing with a man who
is born of God, who does what the Father says, and speaks what the
Father says to speak.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
MADE of a woman, made under the law ....." [Galatians 4:4]
Yeah, came in the flesh through a woman, but not created, sent.
Says no verse of the scripture. Says your Roman philosophers.
Post by Michael McLeanNotice, He was sent forth as a Son BEFORE He became made of a woman.
You are grasping at straws and stretching credulity thinner than tissue.
Post by Michael McLeanOr will you dismiss that as trivial in thine sight?
Post by One GodNot only was Jesus created, he was made under the law, like every one
else in Israel. If you had treasured up the Word of my Father in your
heart, instead of the words of Rome, you would know this, instead of
your false Jesus.
Yeah, rightio fella!
The Lord Jesus was not created! He came to fulfill the law. Of course,
He would be and was born under the law.
Yes Jesus was created. It says so right here:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Because you confuse the Word (Logos) with the Light, you err greatly in
your idolatry delusion. By calling Jesus God, you blaspheme the Father.
Post by Michael McLeanHey, if you think a mere created man can be born under the law and keep
it, good luck with that. Only God can keep the law perfectly, Buddy.
"Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God ....." [Acts 2:22]
No, a man, in every way tempted as we are, and of like frailties,
actually kept the perfect Law of God, showing the way for his brethren
to walk in the law of perfect love.
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children
of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not
righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
So here the scripture says that a man CAN abide sinless and keep the law
of God in perfect love. You say contrary to all scripture.
I know his seed remains in me for I do not sin. I walk in perfect love
of the Father and the brethren. I don't need your wishes of "good luck."
I have a much greater power than luck. I do not sin because God's seed
abides in me. I cannot sin because the Father in me directs my steps. I
do the righteousness of God by confronting the unrighteousness of your
idolatry.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodYour idea that he was not created, that he is a "uncreated" co-eternal
chimera, is blasphemy. Only God the Father is Eternal. All others are
creatures, and some will be reborn and become His Sons, as did Jesus.
He didn't become a Son. He was/is the Son of God. God in the flesh.
More of your confusion abounds.
"God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath
raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou
art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."
Jesus became the Firstborn from the dead, as it is written.
Post by Michael McLeanYou don't know what you are talking about. Like all the rest, you won't
shut up long enough to hear God.
You hear your trinity delusion. That is your god.
All the Sons of God are born of God, and not of dust:
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the
word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the
water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a
voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well
pleased."
Hey, of course! God declaring His immortal and perfect Son. He came
out of heaven and He will certainly return to heaven, and He did.
Jesus was not immortal when he came from Jordan. He was only born again
of the Spirit. He was not yet the Firstborn from the dead, until God
raised him from the grave.
Jesus did not come out of heaven. He was created on earth the same as
any other man.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodThis is where the Firstborn Son of God was begotten by the Father, in
the River Jordan.
Bullshit.
The Lord Jesus was before the River Jordan took a piss!
What a joke, you ignorant mouthy fool!
You are adept at name-calling, but you have not the Word of God in your
mouth. You have no scripture to back up your idolatrous delusion.
Post by Michael McLeanWhat you are not seeing is that the Lord Jesus was perfect, and
therefore God, well before He went to the cross; like a really really
long eternity before! :-).
Of course I'm not seeing that, because it's a fantasy of your trinity
delusion. You walk in darkness. I walk in the light.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to
the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many
brethren." [Romans 8:29]
The image of God, the He would predestinate to be conformed to the image
of His Son/Himself.
Says no verse of scripture. Says only you and your Roman handlers, who
have massaged your brain with their drek.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodThis conforming to the image happened when Jesus came up out of the
water, to receive the baptism of the Spiritual Water by the hand of
the Father, signified by the Dove. And this same baptism with which
Jesus is baptized, which made him God's first Son, is promised to all
Bullshit.
Post by One God"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he
called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also
glorified." [Romans 8:30]
Shut up, you idiot.
Look at how it squirms when the truth is written!
Post by Michael McLeanBefore Jesus was baptised, John said, "Behold the Lamb of God, which
taketh away the sin of the world."
No created being can bear that anointing! Until, you came along in your
brain, that is!
All the brethren of Jesus are lambs of God, and all these created beings
certainly do bear the same anointing that Jesus bore first:
"He saith unto him, Feed my lambs."
All who trust in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, are anointed with the
same anointing that He has:
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye
need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you
of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught
you, ye shall abide in him."
So thousands and tens of thousands of Christ's little lambs are jaunting
about, anointed with the same anointing and power that He is anointed
with, for the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in each one of them.
All power in heaven and on earth is anointed upon the brethren of Jesus.
Whatsoever they bind and loose on earth is bound and loosed in heaven.
God has glorified Himself in his Sons, of which he has many.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be
baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with ....." [Matthew 20:23]
You err, Mr. Michael McLean. You do not speak the words of the Father
in heaven. You speak the words of the Roman and Greek philosophers,
from their putrid councils and their filthy creeds.
You are in the cesspool, Socrates! :-).
It is you who follow the Greek philosophy of the trinity idol. And like
your fathers, you project your crime onto the one who exposes it.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodIn the past I was also taken captive by the same trinity errors that
you suffer under. Cast down your trinity idol, and find the true Jesus
who is witnessed by God's Word. Then take up your cross and follow
him, and be baptized with his baptism, and drink of his cup.
I am not-eth a trinitarian, Bubba. You assume too much in your genius
religiosity.
Yes you are a trinitarian. Your doctrine about Jesus originated with the
trinitarians. None of the prophets, and none of the Apostles, ever
believed or said of Jesus that he is the eternal God.
Post by Michael McLeanThere is the Father and then there is His essence in His son and then
there is the Holy Spirit, the breath, the wind, the Spirit influence of
God; רוח הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh.
This is the doctrine of the trinity, as taught by Philo the Greek
philosopher. A rose by any other name is a rose just the same.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodAs it is written, Jesus is the first of the creatures of God. He is
not "uncreated." He is not God. He is God's Firstborn Son, and God's
messenger, sent to rule and reign, and show us the way to the Father.
The Lord Jesus was not created. He always was, always is, and always
will be. Praise the Lord!
Again, this idea originated with Philo the philosopher. None of the
Prophets ever taught or believed such blasphemy.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One GodWill you walk the straight and narrow way to life?
Will you drink the waters of life freely?
Or will you cling to your "uncreated" Roman Jesus idol?
God is not of man.
Your god is of man--pagan man.
Post by Michael McLeanPost by One God"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through
his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom
we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have
not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might
well bear with him." [2 Corinthians 11:3-4]
It is written, "God is not a man, that he should lie."
We may also say, he that says God is a man, is a liar.
I seal up this testimony in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ unto the
day which he is pleased to read it and judge. Lord, I have written the
Word of your Father, and if it pleases you may you forgive this
infidel for his whoredom with his trinity idol, as you have forgiven
me. May the grace of God the Father abound in your administration of
justice. If you might make him sweat just a little bit before you
forgive him for his false accusation, for accusing me of not knowing
the Father, it may please me. I apologize in advance for any
schadenfreude from his discomfiture.
Oh shut up, and stop religiosity wanking!
It is you who are the religiously wanking. You make statements with
nothing to back them up but your own ideas which you learned from your
Greek and Roman philosophers.
Post by Michael McLeanNow, get back to your mental self-worship and miss everything the Lord
has told you and is telling you.
The Father and the Son and the Apostles have told me that you are an
idolator and deceiver. Once again you project your sin onto your victim.
It is you who worships himself and his own ideas about what God should be.
You do not know the Father because you do not know the Son. You have
invented another Son for yourself to adore, that other Jesus that the
Apostles warned about.
Post by Michael McLeanThe Lord Jesus Christ was NOT created.
"And God said, Let there be Light!" (first act of creation)
Post by Michael McLeanYou have fucked up.
But I am will to be a vessel in the Lord to disciple you, but not right now.
You are a monster, and a very sick and filthy man full of delusions of
grandeur. You are no vessel of the Lord Jesus. You are a vessel of your
lord, Greek gnosis and philosophy. You couldn't disciple a hunting dog.
Post by Michael McLeanYou'll have to wait in the world of delusion.
Why?
Because you have to learn you are a dickhead.
You are a filthy Cretan. Cretans are always lying.
Post by Michael McLeanAnd, by the way, you owe me a massive apology.
You owe God the Father a massive apology, Roman blasphemer.
Post by Michael McLeanThe Lord Jesus Christ is "being," and when you a realise that, you'll
know who He truly is.
I already know who he truly is. He abides in me and I abide in Him. For
we have the mind of Christ. You have the mind of Rome and Grecia and
their mother Babylon.
Jesus Christ is a created being like every other man. He is not God
incarnate. Just because God dwells in him, does not make him God.
Everyone who is born of God has God dwelling in them, and they dwell in
God. This does not make them a pre-existent "god incarnate."
You err, and insult, and deride, and speak evil of dignified things
which you don't understand.
It is written of you:
"But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the
apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should
be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly
lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the
Spirit."
There is only one God, the Father. Jesus is not this God. He is God's
messenger, but he is not the Eternal ONE.
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and
we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by
him." [1 Corinthians 1:8]
Post by Michael McLeanMichael
Post by One GodPost by Michael McLeanPost by One GodPost by Michael McLeanHowever, you are right about God being One God.
Michael
The Church
Post by One Godworships the false god of the trinity, which is a pagan Roman
invention that denies the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
by conflating them as one chimerical idol.
The trinity is another Christ that the Apostles did not preach.
Jesus is not the Father. He is the Firstborn Son of God the Father.
The fullness of the Father will dwell bodily in every one who
lives and believes on Jesus Christ.
All true believers will be made equal to Jesus Christ. All the
Sons of God are equal to Jesus Christ and the fullness of the
Father dwells in every one of his Sons.
God the Father is not a trinity.
God the Father is One Lord, and One Person.
In the end of all ages, The Father who is One, will be All. He
will dwell in all his sons, and be all in all in and through them
all. They will all be the temple of the Father in which He dwells,
and they all shall dwell in Him, as one body, with one Lord Jesus,
and one God and Father of us all.
The trinity lie is the foundation of Satan's kingdom. it
permanently separates man from God the Father placing the pagan
church as a intermediary. Yet the Prophets and Apostles all taught
that God will dwell within us, not in a church, but His fullness
will dwell in each one of us bodily, as with the glorified Lord Jesus.
Every man who teaches the trinity is either a minister of Satan,
or a fool who has been deceived by the ministers of Satan.