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How we know Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist
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Ted
2022-12-30 08:13:09 UTC
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The gospels are all bullshit.

Well, practically all. Liar Matthew, for example, invented John's
objection to Jesus's baptism and Jesus's nonsensical explanation. In
verse 3:15 he writes

"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus
it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."

Huh? WTF is that supposed to mean, Jesus? Matthew doesn't explain,
probably because he knew he didn't have to, as he knew the fact of
Jesus's baptism by John the Baptist embarrassed his readers just as
much as it did him, and so they'd swallow anything and be grateful
for it.

The other gospels don't invent John's initial refusal but the fourth
gospel author, the only one promoting Jesus to God status, avoids
mentioning the baptism directly and only alludes to it by reporting
what John the Baptist supposedly said about Jesus being the Lamb of
God (which is one of the fourth writer's favorite themes -- he even
goes as far as changing the day of the crucifixion to accommodate
it).

But John the Baptist having baptized Jesus was too well known to omit
it from any of the gospels, despite it embarrassing the christers to
no end. In fact, Jesus began his preaching career as a disciple of
the Baptist whom he joined because he agreed with his apocalyptic
message.

Jewish apocalypticists were common during the first century and had
been for the centuries previous and following and were largely
responsible for the Jewish-Roman wars between 66 and 137 CE.
Dr. Who
2022-12-30 18:34:12 UTC
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Post by Ted
The gospels are all bullshit.
Actually it is you that is when it comes to the things of the Lord. You do
not seek Him since you follow the spirit of the antichrist. You are an
advocate for the god of this earth, not the creator. Somewhere in your life
he has taken advantage of you because of some pain or doubt in God, perhaps
because of unanswered prayers or things not turning out the way you expected
because of the false teachings of your church. God knows, I do not.
Post by Ted
Well, practically all. Liar Matthew, for example, invented John's
objection to Jesus's baptism and Jesus's nonsensical explanation. In
verse 3:15 he writes
"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus
it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Huh? WTF is that supposed to mean, Jesus? Matthew doesn't explain,
probably because he knew he didn't have to, as he knew the fact of
Jesus's baptism by John the Baptist embarrassed his readers just as
much as it did him, and so they'd swallow anything and be grateful
for it.
If you knew the scriptures, and were a child of the heavenly Father nature in
faith you might have known or understood, Baptism is a sign of identification
with something, Jesus as God in the flesh came to identify himself with His
subjects. His purpose to become sin for all men who believe upon him so that
they would be set free from it. He became sin so that we might become the
righteousness of God Himself. Spoken of in scripture, and John the Baptist, a
Jew who knew the scripture understood and therefore allowed it to be. John
knew that he was the son of God and was without sin, and had no need humanly
speaking to identify with repentance of his sin since he was without, yet he,
Jesus, identified himself with us so that he could be the sacrificial Lamb of
God and so shed his own blood for sin, see Isa 53:12

He was also baptized that he would be the High Priest for all men.
Ted, why not ask if you want to know something? If your whole point is to
find a chink in God's armor, there isn't any. He, the potter made us, so he
has the right to break us into pieces for a redo. Or destruction.
Ted
2022-12-31 04:45:15 UTC
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Post by Ted
The gospels are all bullshit.
Actually it is you that is when it comes to the things of the Lord. You do
not seek Him since you follow the spirit of the antichrist. You are an
advocate for the god of this earth, not the creator. Somewhere in your life
he has taken advantage of you because of some pain or doubt in God, perhaps
because of unanswered prayers or things not turning out the way you expected
because of the false teachings of your church. God knows, I do not.
Post by Ted
Well, practically all. Liar Matthew, for example, invented John's
objection to Jesus's baptism and Jesus's nonsensical explanation. In
verse 3:15 he writes
"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus
it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Huh? WTF is that supposed to mean, Jesus? Matthew doesn't explain,
probably because he knew he didn't have to, as he knew the fact of
Jesus's baptism by John the Baptist embarrassed his readers just as
much as it did him, and so they'd swallow anything and be grateful
for it.
If you knew the scriptures, and were a child of the heavenly Father nature in
faith you might have known or understood, Baptism is a sign of
identification
Post by Dr. Who
with something, Jesus as God in the flesh came to identify himself with His
subjects. His purpose to become sin for all men who believe upon him so that
they would be set free from it. He became sin so that we might
become the
Post by Dr. Who
righteousness of God Himself. Spoken of in scripture, and John the Baptist, a
Jew who knew the scripture understood and therefore allowed it to be. John
knew that he was the son of God and was without sin, and had no need humanly
speaking to identify with repentance of his sin since he was
without, yet he,
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus, identified himself with us so that he could be the
sacrificial Lamb of
Post by Dr. Who
God and so shed his own blood for sin, see Isa 53:12
He was also baptized that he would be the High Priest for all men.
Ted, why not ask if you want to know something? If your whole point is to
find a chink in God's armor, there isn't any. He, the potter made us, so he
has the right to break us into pieces for a redo. Or destruction.
Thank you for your offer to answer my questions, Robert. And I also
want to express my appreciation for your willingness to converse with
me on these topics. It's unusual on Usenet for two posters of
opposing views to chat without insulting each other.

This series is primarily directed at the neurotic little dork who
feels sufficiently threatened by the fact that Jesus was a real
person to begin insulting me for alluding to it. (genuine ad hom.)
But I'd also like to educate you christers on who Jesus really was,
hence my crosspost to the christer groups.

I admire your knowledge of the Bible and also of the explanations
(contrivances) for common observations of its errors and
deficiencies. You seem to have all the answers, and it's quite
impressive.

Yes, I was once a christer, but the reason I am no longer is because
I finally admitted that I had no valid reason for believing it. I'd
like for it to be true, but it ain't.
Dr. Who
2022-12-31 06:02:39 UTC
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Post by Ted
The gospels are all bullshit.
Actually it is you that is when it comes to the things of the Lord.
You do
Post by Dr. Who
not seek Him since you follow the spirit of the antichrist. You are
an
Post by Dr. Who
advocate for the god of this earth, not the creator. Somewhere in
your life
Post by Dr. Who
he has taken advantage of you because of some pain or doubt in God,
perhaps
Post by Dr. Who
because of unanswered prayers or things not turning out the way you
expected
Post by Dr. Who
because of the false teachings of your church. God knows, I do not.
Post by Ted
Well, practically all. Liar Matthew, for example, invented John's
objection to Jesus's baptism and Jesus's nonsensical explanation.
In
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
verse 3:15 he writes
"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for
thus
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness."
Huh? WTF is that supposed to mean, Jesus? Matthew doesn't explain,
probably because he knew he didn't have to, as he knew the fact of
Jesus's baptism by John the Baptist embarrassed his readers just
as
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
much as it did him, and so they'd swallow anything and be grateful
for it.
If you knew the scriptures, and were a child of the heavenly Father
nature in
Post by Dr. Who
faith you might have known or understood, Baptism is a sign of
identification
Post by Dr. Who
with something, Jesus as God in the flesh came to identify himself
with His
Post by Dr. Who
subjects. His purpose to become sin for all men who believe upon
him so that
Post by Dr. Who
they would be set free from it. He became sin so that we might
become the
Post by Dr. Who
righteousness of God Himself. Spoken of in scripture, and John the
Baptist, a
Post by Dr. Who
Jew who knew the scripture understood and therefore allowed it to
be. John
Post by Dr. Who
knew that he was the son of God and was without sin, and had no
need humanly
Post by Dr. Who
speaking to identify with repentance of his sin since he was
without, yet he,
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus, identified himself with us so that he could be the
sacrificial Lamb of
Post by Dr. Who
God and so shed his own blood for sin, see Isa 53:12
He was also baptized that he would be the High Priest for all men.
Ted, why not ask if you want to know something? If your whole point
is to
Post by Dr. Who
find a chink in God's armor, there isn't any. He, the potter made
us, so he
Post by Dr. Who
has the right to break us into pieces for a redo. Or destruction.
Thank you for your offer to answer my questions, Robert. And I also
want to express my appreciation for your willingness to converse with
me on these topics. It's unusual on Usenet for two posters of
opposing views to chat without insulting each other.
This series is primarily directed at the neurotic little dork who
feels sufficiently threatened by the fact that Jesus was a real
person to begin insulting me for alluding to it. (genuine ad hom.)
But I'd also like to educate you christers on who Jesus really was,
hence my crosspost to the christer groups.
I admire your knowledge of the Bible and also of the explanations
(contrivances) for common observations of its errors and
deficiencies. You seem to have all the answers, and it's quite
impressive.
Yes, I was once a christer, but the reason I am no longer is because
I finally admitted that I had no valid reason for believing it. I'd
like for it to be true, but it ain't.
Ted, if it wasn't true then there is some power out there who answers to His
name, who answers prayer, greases the wheels, and speaks just like Jesus.

I have no doubt in him, or of him. I am anxious however to see the great
things that will be happening in 2023 like it did in the time of the first
apostles. When it does, and you hear about or see them, you will once again
have to ask yourself questions when the miracles and signs happening all
around for the next few years until the return of Jesus in the clouds for
those who have been redeemed, both dead and alive.

Some time you should go through the OT law and study it. See what God blesses
and why, and see what God Curses and why. Things where the death penalty was
to be given and why, Plus for those who owned land in a family and the laws
surrounding it, poor times, good times, and why the land was all to return to
its original owners every 50 years. Loans without interest. And on and on.

Then study the commandments of the NT given by Jesus, and how he delivered
the Jew from the curse of the law, yet the blessings were to remain. Also why
was the Jew under the Mosaic law and never the Gentile, unless they lived in
Israel on a permanent basis.

You might be very surprised as to whom God really is, and what he is not.
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