Discussion:
How we know Jesus was from Nazareth
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Ted
2022-12-28 17:04:06 UTC
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Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has been under
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall erected
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled by armed
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the area,
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill them,
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu-Akleh,
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence of the
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per day. The
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church of the
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem. Runtime: 1:53 mins.
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of themselves
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions to have
Jesus born there.


(Which, btw, they wouldn't need to have done if it hadn't been common
knowledge that he was from Nazareth. If they were making him up, they
just would've said he was from Bethlehem.)
Dr. Who
2022-12-28 18:31:00 UTC
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Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has been under
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall erected
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled by armed
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the area,
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill them,
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu-Akleh,
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence of the
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per day. The
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church of the
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem. Runtime: 1:53 mins.
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of themselves
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions to have
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books yourself, there is NO contradictions.
Post by Ted
(Which, btw, they wouldn't need to have done if it hadn't been common
knowledge that he was from Nazareth. If they were making him up, they
just would've said he was from Bethlehem.)
Ted
2022-12-28 18:45:09 UTC
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Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has been under
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall erected
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled by armed
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the area,
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill them,
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu-Akleh,
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence of the
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per day. The
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church of the
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem. Runtime: 1:53 mins.
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of themselves
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions to have
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
Dr. Who
2022-12-28 19:47:27 UTC
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Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has been
under
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall
erected
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled by
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the area,
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill them,
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu-Akleh,
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence of the
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per day.
The
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church of the
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem. Runtime: 1:53
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of themselves
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions to
have
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Ted
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
Ted
2022-12-28 21:02:45 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6, P+Barker
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has been
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled by
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the area,
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill them,
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence of the
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per day.
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church of the
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem. Runtime: 1:53
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions to
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.

Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus was
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Dr. Who
2022-12-28 23:26:56 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6, P+Barker
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are controlled
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the influence
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the Church
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic contortions
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus was
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Ted
2022-12-29 00:11:55 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:31:00 -0800, Dr.
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6,
P+Barker
Post by Dr. Who
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a wall
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade the
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes kill
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million per
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus was
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring to?

Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could return
because Herod was dead. Return where?

But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea and so
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.

(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)

Ready for the second contradiction?
Dr. Who
2022-12-29 00:40:08 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:31:00 -0800, Dr.
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6,
P+Barker
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank, which has
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a
wall
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly invade
the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces sometimes
kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist Shireen
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10 million
per
Post by Dr. Who
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are multiple
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus was
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring to?
Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could return
because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea and so
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years later, after
the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in scripture.

I have answered that question several times over the years. And it was from
that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and order to
kill all male children under the age of two.

Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will shorten my time
needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Ted
2022-12-29 01:09:38 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:31:00 -0800, Dr.
Post by Dr. Who
(in
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6,
P+Barker
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank,
which has
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled by a
wall
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
Post by Dr. Who
kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
Post by Dr. Who
per
Post by Dr. Who
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses of
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus was
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring to?
Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could
return
Post by Dr. Who
because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea and so
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
Post by Dr. Who
the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
Post by Dr. Who
I have answered that question several times over the years. And it was from
that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and order to
kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will shorten my time
needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to buy a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?

But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He introduces
Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.

Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit. Luke makes no
mention of the gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Nor of the star. But
that was because those things happened two years later.
Ted
2022-12-29 01:21:09 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:31:00 -0800, Dr.
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 06:50:56 -0800 (PST),
On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6,
P+Barker
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank,
which has
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is
encircled
by a
Post by Dr. Who
wall
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
Post by Dr. Who
kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
Post by Dr. Who
per
Post by Dr. Who
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem.
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made
asses
of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before
Jesus
was
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring to?
Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could
return
Post by Dr. Who
because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea
and
so
Post by Dr. Who
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
Post by Dr. Who
the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
Post by Dr. Who
I have answered that question several times over the years. And
it
was from
Post by Dr. Who
that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and
order to
Post by Dr. Who
kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will shorten
my
time
Post by Dr. Who
needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it
previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to buy a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?
But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He introduces
Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.
Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit.
But this shoots it down. Luke 2:39

And when they had performed all things according to the law of the
Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
Dr. Who
2022-12-29 02:06:42 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank,
which has
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is
encircled
by a
Post by Dr. Who
wall
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
Post by Dr. Who
kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Abu-Akleh,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
Post by Dr. Who
per
Post by Dr. Who
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem.
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made
asses
of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before
Jesus
was
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring
to?
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return
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because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea
and
so
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he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
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the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
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I have answered that question several times over the years. And
it
was from
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that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and
order to
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kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will shorten
my
time
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needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it
previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to buy
a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?
But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He introduces
Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.
Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit.
But this shoots it down. Luke 2:39
And when they had performed all things according to the law of the
Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
"They returned to their own city Nazareth." He had to leave it in order to
return.
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Israeli occupation since 1967. It is
encircled
by a
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wall
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erected
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by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
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by
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armed
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Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
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the
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area,
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beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
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kill
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them,
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including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
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Abu-Akleh,
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from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
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of the
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Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
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per
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day.
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The
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churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
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of the
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Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in
Bethlehem.
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1:53
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mins.
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Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made
asses
of
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themselves
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(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
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to
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have
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Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
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contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before
Jesus
was
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born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is
referring
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to?
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Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could
return
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because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea
and
so
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he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
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the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
Post by Dr. Who
I have answered that question several times over the years. And
it
was from
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that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and
order to
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kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will
shorten
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my
time
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needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it
previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to buy
a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?
But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He
introduces
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Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.
Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit.
But this shoots it down. Luke 2:39
And when they had performed all things according to the law of the
Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
"They returned to their own city Nazareth." He had to leave it in order to
return.
Yes, of course. Luke has Joseph go to Bethlehem for the (ludicrously
fictional) census while Mary was pregnant. Jesus is born there and so
they stay to perform all duties "according to the law of the Lord"
and then they return to Nazareth. He doesn't decide to buy a house in
Bethlehem and stay there for two years.
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Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank,
which has
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been
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under
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Israeli occupation since 1967. It is
encircled
by a
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wall
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erected
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by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits
are
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controlled
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by
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armed
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Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
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the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
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Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
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kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
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including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
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Abu-Akleh,
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from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to
the
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influence
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of the
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Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
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per
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day.
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The
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churches shown at the end of the video
are the
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Post by Dr. Who
Church
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in
Bethlehem.
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
1:53
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mins.
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Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made
asses
of
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Post by Dr. Who
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before
Jesus
was
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is
referring
Post by Dr. Who
to?
Post by Dr. Who
Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could
return
Post by Dr. Who
because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea
and
so
Post by Dr. Who
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
Post by Dr. Who
the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
Post by Dr. Who
I have answered that question several times over the years.
And
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it
was from
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that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out
and
Post by Dr. Who
order to
Post by Dr. Who
kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will
shorten
Post by Dr. Who
my
time
Post by Dr. Who
needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it
previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to
buy
Post by Dr. Who
a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?
But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He
introduces
Post by Dr. Who
Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.
Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit.
But this shoots it down. Luke 2:39
And when they had performed all things according to the law of the
Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
"They returned to their own city Nazareth." He had to leave it in
order to
Post by Dr. Who
return.
Yes, of course. Luke has Joseph go to Bethlehem for the (ludicrously
fictional) census while Mary was pregnant. Jesus is born there and so
they stay to perform all duties "according to the law of the Lord"
and then they return to Nazareth. He doesn't decide to buy a house in
Bethlehem and stay there for two years.
The census reality is a matter of Roman records. So is the killing of all
male babies under the age of two. IIRC the order also caused one of his boys
under the age of two to be killed, or perhaps relatives close to him. Herod
was well known for that decision, and it was not unusual to have rulers kill
off their relatives so they could not usurp the throne.

If you read those scriptures again you will see that it was because the wise
men where looking for baby Jesus, and they had followed the star to see where
the Baby was, Herod found out and because he was reputed to be a king when he
grew up Herod was all the more interested in the story and after interviewing
them, asked that when they found him to let him know where he was. When he
realized he had been bamboozled by the wise men because they left the area,
under the orders of an angel, the counted back to see what the approximate
time was when they were there and so to ensure he killed the future king he
commanded all males under the age of two to be killed.

Yes, the story must be pieced together but it is all there, and in history
also, in a limited fashion. And Yes, Jesus will rule as king, but for the
last 1K years of life on this planet. His return is not far off, he will
first come in the clouds to pull out all the true believers in him, both dead
and alive. Then a sudden immense calamity occurs and there will be seven
years from that date to the date when he comes to rule the earth. In the
interim over 3/5ths of the earths population will be killed via wars, famines
and natural calamities of immense proportions, but there will be none of the
church people to bug you. Just a couple Jewish prophets and their followers
for the 1st 3.5 years.

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 16:03:37 -0500,
Bethlehem is in the Palestinian West Bank,
which has
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
been
Post by Dr. Who
under
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli occupation since 1967. It is encircled
by a
Post by Dr. Who
wall
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
erected
Post by Dr. Who
by
Israel in 2002. All entrances and exits are
controlled
Post by Dr. Who
by
Post by Dr. Who
armed
Post by Dr. Who
Israeli soldiers. Israeli forces regularly
invade
Post by Dr. Who
the
Post by Dr. Who
area,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
beating
and abducting residents. Israeli forces
sometimes
Post by Dr. Who
kill
Post by Dr. Who
them,
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
including
prominent Palestinian-American journalist
Shireen
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Abu-Akleh,
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Post by Dr. Who
from a
Christian family from Bethlehem. Due to the
influence
Post by Dr. Who
of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Israel
lobby, U.S. taxpayers give Israel over $10
million
Post by Dr. Who
per
Post by Dr. Who
day.
Post by Dr. Who
The
Post by Dr. Who
churches shown at the end of the video are the
Church
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of the
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Nativity
and Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem.
1:53
Post by Dr. Who
mins.
Post by Dr. Who
Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians.
Bullshit is just part of Young's nature.
LOL. As it was for Matthew and Luke. They made asses
of
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
themselves
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
(and contradicted each other) with their idiotic
contortions
Post by Dr. Who
to
Post by Dr. Who
have
Post by Dr. Who
Jesus born there.
You must not have read those books
yourself, there is NO contradictions.
I'm quite familiar with them, Robert, and there are
multiple
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
contradictions. Shall I list them one at a time?
In lists of ten would be fine. Thanks
I doubt there are ten.
Okay, first one: where did Mary and Joseph live before Jesus
was
Post by Dr. Who
Post by Dr. Who
born? Matthew says Bethlehem, Luke says Nazareth.
Where in Matthew do you find what you claim?
Matthew 2:11. Whose house do you suppose Matthew is referring to?
Then they fled to Egypt until the angel told Joseph he could
return
Post by Dr. Who
because Herod was dead. Return where?
But oops, the angel forgot to mention Archelaus was in Judea and
so
Post by Dr. Who
he decided instead to relocate to Galilee.
(To fulfill another nonexistent prophecy.)
Ready for the second contradiction?
I am happy to disappoint you, as Matt 2:11 was near two years
later, after
Post by Dr. Who
the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. So there was no conflict in
scripture.
Post by Dr. Who
I have answered that question several times over the years. And it
was from
Post by Dr. Who
that place they left to go to Egypt since the ruler sent out and
order to
Post by Dr. Who
kill all male children under the age of two.
Yes, I am ready and if you post your scriptures it will shorten my
time
Post by Dr. Who
needed to find what isn't there. ;)
Okay, I can do that. Interesting that you've answered it previously.
So manger first, then house two years later? Joseph decided to buy a
house in Bethlehem after Jesus was born?
But Matthew doesn't say Joseph returned to Nazareth. He introduces
Nazareth in 2:23. He makes no mention of it prior to then.
Still, your explanation is plausible, I'll admit. Luke makes no
mention of the gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Nor of the star. But
that was because those things happened two years later.
Joseph and Mary did not live in Bethlehem before Jesus was born, they had to
go to Bethlehem because all the known world had to return to their place of
Birth for taxation reasons. The wise men from the east never saw Jesus in the
manger. The people who saw Jesus there were shepherds.
Luke chapter 2. That is the true "Christmas" story and the shepherds were
told about it by angels.

Joseph was in the lineage of David, but of a line or branch who would not
bring forth the Messiah due to their sin against God, but Mary was of the
line of David that could bear the Christ child.

Mary was considered unclean for forty days, and Jesus needed to be
circumsized, both situations needed to be reconciled before departing to
Egypt.

Luke 1:26 showed that Mary was in the town of nazareth when the angel spoke
to her of her virgin birth.That was the original home town for both.

“And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord,
they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.” (Luk 2:39, KJV)

We know the time of the death of King Herod, and it was after his death that
Joseph was told by an angel that he could return home.
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