Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoPost by TedYes and yes. Jehovah speaks to
Immanuel in chapter
Then show where he does.
Why do I have to tell you it's in verse 8?
He speaks about him, bit difference.
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoPost by TedYou make up the point. I googled it just
now and nobody knows why he brought
his oldest kid along.
Brought whose oldest kid along?
Why are you asking me this? You know that Shearjashub is Isaiah's
oldest kid.
Nothing there says he is his oldest kid,
“Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and
Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the
highway of the fuller's field;” (Isa 7:3, KJV)
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoPost by Tedit's spot on. And irrefutable.
It has been totally refuted. Both in scripture
and by those who believe in God.
How can it possibly be "refuted", Robert? Almah means young woman.
Betulah means virgin. Almah is translated everywhere as young woman
except in Isaiah chapter 7. Therefore the translators were
deliberately deceptive. If Isaiah had intended to tell us she was a
virgin, he would have used betulah. Please point out what part of
that is "refuted".
Incorrect.
Isaiah 7:14
a [a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son]
Virgin Birth
Hebrew: ha-‛almah (H5959), the virgin—the only one who ever was, or ever
will, be a mother in this way. ‛Almah (H5959) is translated "virgin" for
Rebekah, meaning a pure, unmarried, young woman (Gen 24:43), and for
unwedded, young women (Son 1:3; Son 6:8); maid of the young, unmarried virgin
sister of Moses who was about 14 (Exo 2:8), and of one who goes with man for
the first time (Pro 30:19); damsels as used of young ladies playing timbrels
(Psa 68:25-26). Here it refers to the virgin mother who would have no sexual
relations until after she had given birth to the Messiah (Isa 7:14; Mat
1:18-25; note, Luk 8:19). The argument that ‛almah (H5959) could mean a
young married woman is not supported in any scripture. In view of the plain
record of Mary being a pure virgin who conceived by the Holy Spirit, it only
shows unbelief and rebellion against God’s Word and the perfect plan of
redemption through a virgin-born Man—God manifest in the flesh—if we
accept anything but what is plainly declared in Isa 7:14; Isa 9:6-7; Mat
1:18-25; Luk 1:30-38; Joh 1:1-14; Rom 8:3; Gal 4:4; 1Ti 3:16; Heb 1:5-7; and
Heb 2:6-18.
The Hebrew: bethuwlah (H1330), is translated virgin 38 times (Gen 24:16; Exo
22:17; Lev 21:3, Lev 21:14; Deu 22:19, Deu 22:23, Deu 22:28; Deu 32:25; Jdg
21:12; 2Sa 13:2, 2Sa 13:18; 1Ki 1:2; 2Ki 19:21; Est 2:2-3, Est 2:17, Est
2:19; Psa 45:14; Isa 23:4, Isa 23:12; Isa 37:22; Isa 47:1; Isa 62:5; Jer
14:17; Jer 18:13; Jer 31:4, Jer 31:13, Jer 31:21; Jer 46:11; Lam 1:4, Lam
1:15, Lam 1:18; Lam 2:10, Lam 2:13, Lam 2:21; Joe 1:8; Amo 5:2; Amo 8:13);
maid 7 times (Exo 22:16; Job 31:1; Jer 2:32; Jer 51:22; Lam 5:11; Eze 9:6;
Zec 9:17); and maiden 5 times (Jdg 19:24; 2Ch 36:17; Psa 78:63; Psa 148:12;
Eze 44:22). ‛Almah (H5959) denotes an unmarried girl of marriageable age
and therefore a true virgin. Bethuwlah (H1330) refers to an unmarried girl
and expresses virginity of a bride or one betrothed (Isa 62:5; Joe 1:8).
The Greek, parthenos (G3933), in Mat 1:23 and Luk 1:27 means a maiden; an
unmarried daughter; a virgin. Translated "virgin" 14 times and, in every
case, it means an unmarried maiden (Mat 1:23; Mat 25:1, Mat 25:7, Mat 25:11;
Luk 1:27; Act 21:9; 1Co 7:25-37; 2Co 11:2; Rev 14:4). This is the root word
of parthenia (G3932), meaning "virginity" (Luk 2:36) . None of these original
words are used in connection with a married woman. Some contend that they
simply mean any young woman, but this is not true; they mean only one who is
a pure and undefiled virgin—any maid who has never known a man.
Now how about you disproving this by following all the scripture listed above
and then show us any and all errors.
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoPost by TedI've addressed everything you've put
forth. I've dismissed nothing.
You have continued to hold to that mistaken notion of young woman
as if the
Post by Dr. Whoyoung woman does not mean virgin young woman, and virgin as being
two
Post by Dr. Whoseparate issues. Even what I posted earlier on the subject you
dismissed as
Post by Dr. Whoif there were no truth to it.
If I did dismiss it without addressing it, then I apologize.
I accept it, and take.it fairly lightly as it seems pretty common these days
on the net.
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoNo, you do not dispute it, you ignore it all, chose not to discuss
it or the
Post by Dr. Whounderstandings behind it, you change the goal posts, and you simply
dismiss
Post by Dr. Whoit. To refute it you need to allow what was said and then show
cause why
Post by Dr. Whothere is not truth there.
Right. That's what I've been doing.
Post by Dr. WhoI should you a book review from a person who backed up what I
reported to you
Post by Dr. Whoearlier about the percentage of literacy. A percentage I gathered
up years
Post by Dr. Whoago from historical facts to dispute another person in your crown.
You
Post by Dr. Whopreferred hearsay and misunderstandings
"Jewish Literacy in Roman Palestine" by Catherine Hezser is "hearsay
and misunderstandings"? LOL.
Yes, in regards to what you said about it. I showed you the comments from
someone who read her book and addressed the very issue you brought up,
showing the world that your understanding was incorrect, your comments since
that post only confirm to be that you do not read all that I write, or read
it seriously and your following accusations are therefore unmerited. I am
fairly used to that occurring because I do not typically write one liners.
And most people are not speaking seriously when they write their posts, at
least most of the time.
Post by TedPost by Dr. Whoand then when I pointed it out,
would not acknowledge your error as to what the author of the book
actually
Post by Dr. Whosaid. I did not make a big deal out of it at the time thinking that
you would
Post by Dr. Whoaccept your error, but here you support your error. Allowing for
only you to
Post by Dr. Whobe the correct on with false facts.
Which error? I apologize if I missed it and failed to acknowledge.
Post by Dr. WhoTed, you are not the first to state what you did in devaluating God
and His
Post by Dr. Whoword. You follow the longstanding arguments of many atheists, all
of which
Post by Dr. Whohave been proven in error, both historically as well as by
archeology. You
Post by Dr. Whojust picked up the old standards to rehash as if you are better at
it than
Post by Dr. Whothey. I knew of a man, that many years ago devoted his life to
proving the
Post by Dr. WhoBible in error via archeology, and that the places mentioned are
not to be
Post by Dr. Whofound where the Bible said they were, and all his excavations only
proved the
Post by Dr. WhoBible to be true.
No. You know of no such man. You only think you do.
Sorry, but my mom was involved deeply with what was going on in that
particular science when it came to Biblical issues. She knew of him, and how
he died.
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoMany here have said things similar about
David, only to be proven wrong via the
current digs in Israel.
It's refreshing to encounter something on which we can agree. Yes,
David was real.
Post by Dr. WhoThe man I spoke of died without
satisfaction his heart so hardened about
God always looking for that one proof that
the Bible was wrong. What a shame that
was.
"One" proof? There are dozens, at least.
He searched for many sites, discovered them all, and was honest enough to
cite his discoveries. Yet he was hoping for provable failures all along. Now
that he has passed, he has met his maker, and nows beyond any shadow of doubt
the reality of God.
Post by TedPost by Dr. WhoI would hope you do not waste your life as
he did.
Believing silly myths and ignoring truth can arguably be said to be
"wasting your life". (Hint: that's you.) Seeking truth (me) can also
arguably said to be wasting it, I'll admit. But hey, whatever floats
your boat, dude. :-)
Sorry, but I know in whom I believe and have heard his voice and received his
counseling and wisdom as needed. What is promised to the Believer I have
received and am growing in Him.
Yes there have been people in your shoes who have said I should see a psych,
or to my face said I was nuts, but when a person as seen the real thing it is
impossible to take it away from them, and that is the shoes I stand in.
When you hit the wall and stand there alone, seek Him, not with promises, not
with deals, but as Him for His reality in your life. Do not let religion
confine you. If you come into that situation, speak to him and study the
Bible, especially the NT, not disregarding the old. You will see the truths
unfold to you right before your very eyes, and you will find it a joy, not a
chore, to read his word, just for you.