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Georg Tillerman
2023-07-01 10:35:44 UTC
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Let no corrupt word go forth out of your mouth,
but what is good to the necessary building up,
that it may give grace to the hearers; and do not
make the Holy Spirit of God sorrowful, in which
you were sealed to [the] day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor,
and slander, be put away from you, with all malice,
and become kind to one another, tender-hearted,
forgiving one another,
according as God also forgave you in Christ.
Michael Christ
2023-07-01 23:15:50 UTC
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Post by Georg Tillerman
Let no corrupt word go forth out of your mouth,
but what is good to the necessary building up,
that it may give grace to the hearers; and do not
make the Holy Spirit of God sorrowful, in which
you were sealed to [the] day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor,
and slander, be put away from you, with all malice,
and become kind to one another, tender-hearted,
forgiving one another,
according as God also forgave you in Christ.
I already forgave you already.

However, reality remains...

"True friends are like diamonds, precious but rare. False friends are
like autumn leaves found everywhere."

...not necessarily pointing at you, but not necessarily excluding you.




Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-02 11:46:26 UTC
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Post by Georg Tillerman
Let no corrupt word go forth out of your mouth,
but what is good to the necessary building up,
that it may give grace to the hearers; and do not
make the Holy Spirit of God sorrowful, in which
you were sealed to [the] day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor,
and slander, be put away from you, with all malice,
and become kind to one another, tender-hearted,
forgiving one another,
according as God also forgave you in Christ.
I already forgave you already.
However, reality remains...
"True friends are like diamonds, precious but rare. False friends are
like autumn leaves found everywhere."
...not necessarily pointing at you, but not necessarily excluding you.
thank you for your contribution
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-02 21:43:11 UTC
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Post by Georg Tillerman
Let no corrupt word go forth out of your mouth,
but what is good to the necessary building up,
that it may give grace to the hearers; and do not
make the Holy Spirit of God sorrowful, in which
you were sealed to [the] day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor,
and slander, be put away from you, with all malice,
and become kind to one another, tender-hearted,
forgiving one another,
according as God also forgave you in Christ.
people project an image of themself onto the God of the bible
and when it mirrors back at them and they don't like it,
it's trying to tell them something about them self.

and then, YHWH does the same thing in reverse;

==
With the kind You will appear as kind;
With a blameless man You will appear as blameless;
With the pure You will appear as pure;

And with the distorted You will appear as tortuous.
==
[Psalm 18:25-26]

and then there's this other guy;
==
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves.
Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not
do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror
and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately
forgets what he looks like. [James 1:22-24]
==


For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror;
then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part;
then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-04 10:41:59 UTC
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==
Titus 1:2

in hope of eternal life which God,

who cannot lie, <===

promised before time began,
==
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-04 18:29:42 UTC
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==
Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God,
who cannot lie,        <===
promised before time began,
==
==
<.> The Slanderer <.> is a murderer from the beginning, and
does not stand in the truth because the Truth has left him.
When he speaks lies, he speaks from his own, for he is a liar
and the father of it. [John 8:44]
==
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-05 11:25:54 UTC
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==
Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God,
who cannot lie, <===
promised before time began,
==
==
<.> The Slanderer <.> is a murderer from the beginning, and
does not stand in the truth because the Truth has left him.
When he speaks lies, he speaks from his own, for he is a liar
and the father of it. [John 8:44]
==
the way i'm believing it is still like;

God created a good thing and that good thing corrupted itself.

God did Not place corruption in to the thing,

cuz then we'd have to suggest that God is corrupt or corruptible,
and -i- wouldn't even begin to suggest such a thing.
because, -whatever- God is, that's what God is.

but this other kid, the created being, is what it isn't.

it lied to itself.

so, God created a thing that could corrupt itself.

so nobody gets to -blame- anyone else.

and everyone secretly knows a realizes this

but a shift of responsibility -seems- right to a person

but in the end, you get the face you brought on yourself.

huh?

you get the face you brought on yourself.

let that simmer for a moment...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-05 18:49:43 UTC
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==
Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God,
who cannot lie, <===
promised before time began,
==
==
<.> The Slanderer <.> is a murderer from the beginning, and
does not stand in the truth because the Truth has left him.
When he speaks lies, he speaks from his own, for he is a liar
and the father of it. [John 8:44]
==
the way i'm believing it is still like;
God created a good thing and that good thing corrupted itself.
God did Not place corruption in to the thing,
cuz then we'd have to suggest that God is corrupt or corruptible,
and -i- wouldn't even begin to suggest such a thing.
because, -whatever- God is, that's what God is.
in short, if God were corrupt and corruptible, there wouldn't
be any sort of standard and no cause for complaints of /shortfall/
anyway, i'm sure i've walked over this territory several times of late.
The Original like DNA and all that.

so, like, God does not -have- the corrupted lethal mental gene
and so, certainly cannot pass it on to the Creation.

but it popped up, and God wasn't mystified, and had a fixer already.

like i may have mentioned before;

God can know two possible outcomes

If A then B
=and=
If C then D

without forcing either. where God knows both B and D
but where God has left the option of A or C to the creation.
so this still shows that God can know all possible outcomes
without suggesting that God forces a specific outcome.

etc.

you could fit in /material/ corruptions here and compare them to "lies"

and when /we/ pulled -away- _from_ God at the source,

/we/ lost so much that we CANNOT live without.

etc. etc.

..re-establishing connections
Post by Georg Tillerman
but this other kid, the created being, is what it isn't.
it lied to itself. so, God created a thing that could corrupt itself.
so nobody gets to -blame- anyone else. and everyone secretly knows
and realizes this, but a shift of responsibility -seems- right to a
person
Post by Georg Tillerman
but in the end, you get the face you brought on yourself.
but in reverse, you may get a face from God,
lookin' back at you, that you don't want to get stuck with.
yikes, for all eternity, i gotta see this God
lookin' back at me, who isn't pleased at -all-
makes you wanna crawl under a rock and stay there,
and -still- you can't escape it.

why does any of this matter at all?


there is still time...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-06 10:33:16 UTC
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there are better days ahead, beautiful days

in fact, this is a Day Yud-ay-Wav-ay has made.

be happy in it.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-06 11:04:11 UTC
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there are better days ahead, beautiful days
in fact, this is a Day Jesus has made.
be happy in it.
sometimes God gets sad and blue about the state of man

and some little kid walks up and hands out a flower

and God is refreshed.

go and do likewise.

our lives are revealed in Christ
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-07 10:30:00 UTC
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i do like the parable about the workers who sign on early in the day
and toil away and do what they contracted to do, and then
other workers sign on later in the day, and do the same
and then some sign on in, like, the final hours at the
end of the day, and the earlycomes suspect that they will be paid more
cuz, after all, they signed on early and have been working all day,
only to find out, that everybody gets paid the same wage
whether early or late, and the early guys grouse about it,
and Jesus up and says something to the effect of;

"what are you complaining about, you got what you had coming"

"like, nobody got cheated or anything..."

you could even mix that story in with the prodigal some bit,
and some people who DO actually seem to devote their entire life
to Jesus and The Way...the Truth and the Life and all that,


may very well find themselves at the back of the line
and some people who sign on late in the day,
may get a prominent seat at the table.

and, you expect ME to cry about it?


NO NO NO, i'm thankful just to come along for the ride...


so?


well, it's not like anyone gets quality points just for being around longer


oh dear God _help_ ME keep that "first love" faith and zeal

=beyond= the bitter end


cuz "seniority" is a human foible


anyway, just thought i'd mention it...


yeah, time can be a good thing and can burn away all of your sticker
bush thorns


but we still have no real laurels to rest upon.



Christ...and Christ crucified...and Christ Resurrected



and tim is opening up his present



the Gift that keeps on giving...


amen...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-07 10:49:40 UTC
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i do like the parable about the workers who sign on early in the day
and toil away and do what they contracted to do, and then
other workers sign on later in the day, and do the same
and then some sign on in, like, the final hours at the
end of the day, and the earlycomes suspect that they will be paid more
cuz, after all, they signed on early and have been working all day,
only to find out, that everybody gets paid the same wage
whether early or late, and the early guys grouse about it,
and Jesus up and says something to the effect of;
"what are you complaining about, you got what you had coming"
"like, nobody got cheated or anything..."
may very well find themselves at the back of the line
and some people who sign on late in the day,
may get a prominent seat at the table.
i mean, look, /you/ wouldn't want to become embittered
against people just coming to know Christ, or, heaven forbid,
become embittered against God, just because /you/ =think=
/you've/ been "AT IT" for so long and you're special and you can
actually turn around and start Beating up on people who are also,
God's dearly beloved, only they still got some sticker bush thorns
tangling up around their necks and, instead of trying to help
alleviate -their- entanglements,
/you/ turn around and call them, "hopelessly lost."

once again, NO NO NO...not ME

like asking to trip yourself up and land in a ditch


after all, my whole life is but a fog in the early morning

a mist...not even a blink of the cosmic eyes



only thing i can say, is


the door is still open


but, there may very well come a time

when the door shuts and Jesus won't be taking on any new hires.



but, i can tell you one thing,

Jesus is not a cruel person



but don't -you- turn around and say;


"well, there's always Time,

i can get it together later after i've had my tea"


and the bus pulls away and you better be able to

run like a leoprd to catch that thing



and not cuz God is spiteful


just VERY SERIOUS


down to the minutia
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 10:39:55 UTC
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I just thought i'd add these here as exemplars;

==
Jeremiah 1:6-7

Then said I: “Ah, Lord God! Behold, I cannot speak, for I am a youth.”
But Jesus said to me: “Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’ For you shall go
to all to whom I send you, And whatever I command you, you shall speak.
==
Job 32:6-9

So Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, answered and said:

“I am young in years, and you are very old; Therefore I was afraid, And
dared not declare my opinion to you. I said, ‘Age should speak, And
multitude of years should teach wisdom.’ But there is a spirit in man,
And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding.
Men of many years are not always wise, Nor do the aged
always understand justice.
==
1 Timothy 4:12

Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers
in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
==

you -should- think that 'wisdom' would come with Age

but all to often, men wander -away- from the peaceable wisdom
that comes from above, and over in to that earthly, sensual, DEMONIC.
Cynical Pragmatism like what we see below;


====
James 3:14-16 [Cynical Pragmatism]

But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts,
do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not
descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEMONIC. <===
For where envy and self-seeking exist,
confusion and every evil thing are there.

James 3:17-18 [Manifold Wisdom of God]

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,
then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy
and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace
by those who make peace.
====

this, and that we -do- want to "hear from Jesus" who much like Elihu;

==
Job 33:4-7 [Elihu the youth, again]

The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
If you can answer me, Set your words in order before me; Take your stand.
Truly I am as your spokesman before God; I also have been formed out
of clay.
Surely no fear of me will terrify you, Nor will my hand be heavy on you.
==

and this isn't a matter of "Age" as such things
called /wisdom/ may show themselves But,

God -can- get a message thru , even through little clay monsters...

does this mean that children and young adults always speak the truth?
of course not, they're =infected= with the disease of man as well.

it's more to the point that just because someone has seen years

Alone, does Not cure the disease,

but Jesus Christ , THE Apostle of God ,

brings about the desired result.

and oftentimes, the young have less noise as an encumbrance
and God can actually find an entry point in to that hard head.

so, TODAY, if you should hear His Voice;

LISTEN


i did, ...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 12:13:08 UTC
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Jeremiah 1:6-7
==
Job 32:6-9
==
1 Timothy 4:12
==
you -should- think that 'wisdom' would come with Age
but all to often, men wander -away- from the peaceable wisdom
that comes from above, and over in to that earthly, sensual,    DEMONIC.
Cynical Pragmatism like what we see below;
====
James 3:14-16    [Cynical Pragmatism]
James 3:17-18    [Manifold Wisdom of God]
====
does this mean that children and young adults always speak the truth?
of course not, they're =infected= with the disease of man as well.
but, whenever i say something like that, i have to add in this bit;

==
1 Corinthians 7:14

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband;
otherwise your children would be unclean,
but now they are holy. <=====
==

see, this bit says that children born to believers,
whether one believing parent or two,,,, are HOLY

and, in a POST-Crucifixion world, some children ARE Born ...HOLY


so, one nees take a step back from saying that
ALL children are born with the disease.


Ideally, there should be LOTS of Holy Children

but then someone steps in and calls them "diseased"

and they -become- diseased.

so, take care.


if some kid pops up and says;

"i've known Christ since i was an infant"

i'm not gunna be the one to contradict such a one.


critical...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 12:19:12 UTC
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does this mean that children and young adults always speak the truth?
of course not, they're =infected= with the disease of man as well.
but, whenever i say something like that, i have to add in this bit;
==
1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband;
otherwise your children would be unclean,
but now they are holy.  <=====
==
so, one needs take a step back from saying that
ALL children are born with the disease.
i guess you can call that my own personal /retraction/
cuz, NO one ever -seeks- a retraction from me on that matter.

i mean, right there it says children are born HOLY
and No One ever wants to believe that.

...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 12:44:31 UTC
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does this mean that children and young adults always speak the truth?
of course not, they're =infected= with the disease of man as well.
but, whenever i say something like that, i have to add in this bit;
==
1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband;
otherwise your children would be unclean,
but now they are holy.  <=====
==
so, one needs take a step back from saying that
ALL children are born with the disease.
i guess you can call that my own personal /retraction/
cuz, NO one ever -seeks- a retraction from me on that matter.
i mean, right there it says children are born HOLY
and No One ever wants to believe that.
so, children can be born Holy, but, they still need
to find exposure to Jesus Christ in their consciousness.

it's a very fine point.

and i mean, like a tungsten tipped needle. that kind of 'fine'

there's a period -after- Pentacost, that concerned people

that were born -before- the crucifixion, and then

as time progresses, every one on earth is born -after- the crucifixion

and i'm not over-extending the consequences of 1 Cor 7:14,


but...


==
1 John 2:2

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins,
and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
==


God does have the rosy colored glasses on again.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 13:30:20 UTC
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==
1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife,
and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband;
otherwise your children would be unclean,
but now they are holy.  <=====
==
so, i just want to revisit this little bit;


God can know two possible outcomes

If A then B
=and=
If C then D

without forcing either. where God knows both B and D
but where God has left the option of A or C to the creation.
so this still shows that God can know all possible outcomes
without suggesting that God forces a specific outcome.


and mention this;


one thing we do not know and probably never will, is this;

what would or could have happened if Adam had wandered
through the garden and stumbled across a pretty little
fig tree, and -that- fig tree just happened to be
the Tree of Life and dear olde Adam took a bite of
-that- tree, before they started comparison shopping.

as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,

it was just /there/ and Adam could have taken a bite from it,
because thee was, also, no proscription against eating from
that tree at that time.

so, what -would- have happened had Adam took a bite from Plan A?

but, we -should- _not_ suggest that Adam was forced to take
from that other tree, and that it was the ONLY possible outcome,
just because that's what did happen.

that's an assumption that need not be made.

Adam had every opportunity to take from the Tree of Life.

trouble is, after the fact, he starts stitching together
a stream of excuses and cover ups from the fig.


Adam was unfinished...


and also...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 13:54:52 UTC
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one thing we do not know and probably never will, is this;
what would or could have happened if Adam had wandered
through the garden and stumbled across a pretty little
fig tree, and -that- fig tree just happened to be
the Tree of Life and dear olde Adam took a bite of
-that- tree, before they started comparison shopping.
as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,
but, that's another thing;

we =know= that Adam -wanted- to stay away from
the tree of knowledge of good and bad,

how do we know?

Adam told Eve not even to -touch- that tree.

so? well, Adam was not just sitting there
itching to do what God had told him not to do.
no, he did it cuz Eve got tricked into doing it.

once again, seems more like unintentional and not scornful intent.

the One who had the scornful intent was...The Serpent

///

hebrew; "shagagah" and "ruwm"

where "shagagah" is spoken of concerning ignorance
or unintentional tresspass and "ruwm" is spoken of
concerning presumptuous or -grossly- intentional
tresspass with an eye towards raising YHWH
to outright scorn. (Numbers 15)

///
Post by Georg Tillerman
as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,
it was just /there/ and Adam could have taken a bite from it,
because thee was, also, no proscription against eating from
 that tree at that time.
so, what -would- have happened had Adam took a bite from Plan A?
but, we -should- _not_ suggest that Adam was forced to take
from that other tree, and that it was the ONLY possible outcome,
 just because that's what did happen.
that's an assumption that need not be made.
Adam had every opportunity to take from the Tree of Life.
trouble is, after the fact, he starts stitching together
a stream of excuses and cover ups from the fig.
Adam was unfinished...
and also...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 19:25:16 UTC
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one thing we do not know and probably never will, is this;
what would or could have happened if Adam had wandered
through the garden and stumbled across a pretty little
fig tree, and -that- fig tree just happened to be
the Tree of Life and dear olde Adam took a bite of
-that- tree, before they started comparison shopping.
as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,
but, that's another thing;
we =know= that Adam -wanted- to stay away from
the tree of knowledge of good and bad,
how do we know?
Adam told Eve not even to -touch- that tree.
== [Adam told not to eat;]
Genesis 2:16-17

And YHWH God lays a charge on the man, saying,
“From every tree of the garden eating you eat;
but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,
you do not eat from it, for in the day of
your eating from it—dying you die.”
==
Genesis 3:2-[Eve says, "not touch it"]

And the woman says to the serpent,
“From the fruit of the trees of the garden we eat,
but from the fruit of the tree which [is] in the
midst of the garden, God has said,
You do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.”
==

now, who added "nor touch it?"

God is not the author of confusion [1 Corinthians 14:32-34]

the one conclusion, is, that God tells Adam, and Adam tells Eve

Eve is getting what amounts to a hearsay from Adam, and not a direct reveal,

as we never actually see God speaking to Eve.

and The Serpent played on that bit of confusion

The Serpent is the one who outright Lied against God.

it isn't all about Man, The Serpent is getting a lesson.
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so? well, Adam was not just sitting there
itching to do what God had told him not to do.
no, he did it cuz Eve got tricked into doing it.
once again, seems more like unintentional and not scornful intent.
the One who had the scornful intent was...The Serpent
///
hebrew; "shagagah" and "ruwm"
where "shagagah" is spoken of concerning ignorance
or unintentional tresspass and "ruwm" is spoken of
concerning presumptuous or -grossly- intentional
tresspass with an eye towards raising YHWH
to outright scorn. (Numbers 15)
///
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as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,
it was just /there/ and Adam could have taken a bite from it,
because thee was, also, no proscription against eating from
  that tree at that time.
so, what -would- have happened had Adam took a bite from Plan A?
but, we -should- _not_ suggest that Adam was forced to take
from that other tree, and that it was the ONLY possible outcome,
  just because that's what did happen.
that's an assumption that need not be made.
Adam had every opportunity to take from the Tree of Life.
trouble is, after the fact, he starts stitching together
a stream of excuses and cover ups from the fig.
Adam was unfinished...
and also...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 19:31:45 UTC
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Adam told Eve not even to -touch- that tree.
==  [Adam told not to eat;]
Genesis 2:16-17
And YHWH God lays a charge on the man, saying,
“From every tree of the garden eating you eat;
but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,
you do not eat from it, for in the day of
your eating from it—dying you die.”
==
Genesis 3:2-[Eve says, "not touch it"]
And the woman says to the serpent,
“From the fruit of the trees of the garden we eat,
but from the fruit of the tree which [is] in the
midst of the garden, God has said,
You do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.”
==
now, who added "nor touch it?"
God is not the author of confusion [1 Corinthians 14:32-34]
the one conclusion, is, that God tells Adam, and Adam tells Eve
Eve is getting what amounts to a hearsay from Adam, and not a direct reveal,
as we never actually see God speaking to Eve.
and The Serpent played on that bit of confusion
The Serpent is the one who outright Lied against God.
it isn't all about Man, The Serpent is getting a lesson.
but, inasmuch as Adam lays on this extra emphasis, "do not even Touch"

we can see that Adam was trying to -prevent- Eve

from getting into trouble with that Tree.

Adam was -not- running around saying;


"God is stoopid, there's nothing wrong with that Tree,
in fact, it's in My best interest to eat from it and
God is keeping it from me, i'm gunna do as i please."


nope...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 23:43:35 UTC
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Adam was -not- running around saying;
"God is stoopid, there's nothing wrong with that Tree,
in fact, it's in My best interest to eat from it and
God is keeping it from me, i'm gunna do as i please."
remember; God is clothed;

==
Psalm 93:1
YHWH reigns, clothed with majesty;
YHWH is clothed, girded with strength...
==
Psalm 65:6
Who established the mountains by
strength, Being clothed with power;
==
Psalm 104:1
Bless YHWH, O my soul! O YHWH my God,
You are very great: You are clothed
with honor and majesty,
==

God Is clothed in Immortality...


but Adam and Eve were not clothed when created.

but =God= was not holding that against them,

and Adam/Eve didn't feel /ashamed/ of it.


but the intention is that Man be clothed.

which is why -i- say, Adam was created "unfinished"


look here;


==
2 Corinthians 5:1-5

For we know that if our earthly house, this tent,
is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house
not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in
this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with
our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having
been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who
are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because
we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that
mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who
has prepared us for this very thing is God, who
also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
=
Revelation 19:8
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous
acts of the saints.
==



God created an unclothed Being, one capable of seeing mortallity

but God wasn't saying;

"bad Adam, you're not clothed, put some clothes on"


e t cetera
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-09 00:17:03 UTC
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Post by Georg Tillerman
Adam was -not- running around saying;
"God is stoopid, there's nothing wrong with that Tree,
in fact, it's in My best interest to eat from it and
God is keeping it from me, i'm gunna do as i please."
remember; God is clothed;
==
Psalm 93:1
YHWH reigns, clothed with majesty;
YHWH is clothed, girded with strength...
==
Psalm 65:6
Who established the mountains by
strength, Being clothed with power;
==
Psalm 104:1
Bless YHWH, O my soul! O YHWH my God,
You are very great: You are clothed
with honor and majesty,
==
God Is clothed in Immortality...
but Adam and Eve were not clothed when created.
but =God= was not holding that against them,
and Adam/Eve didn't feel /ashamed/ of it.
but the intention is that Man be clothed.
which is why -i- say, Adam was created "unfinished"
look here;
==
2 Corinthians 5:1-5
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent,
is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house
not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in
this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with
our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having
been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who
are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because
we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that
mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who
has prepared us for this very thing is God, who
also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
=
Revelation 19:8
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous
acts of the saints.
==
God created an unclothed Being, one capable of seeing mortallity
but God wasn't saying;
"bad Adam, you're not clothed, put some clothes on"
But, upon eating from that Tree that was Not "good for food"

Adam's outlook changed, and whereas before he was innocently unclothed

he became diseased , pathological even.

he took on the characteristics of The Serpent

only he was afraid , paranoid even.


one stacks these blocks one at a time...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-09 11:07:54 UTC
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God created an unclothed Being, one capable of seeing mortallity
but God wasn't saying; "bad Adam, you're not clothed, put some
clothes on"
Post by Georg Tillerman
But, upon eating from that Tree that was Not "good for food"
Adam's outlook changed, and whereas before he was innocently unclothed
he took on the characteristics of The Serpent
one stacks these blocks one at a time...
what's more interesting to me is, that, Adam/Eve didn't
have to eat anything nor drink water, to stay alive.

not precisely like Jesus when he said;

"to do the will of God is food for me"

but, more like Moses when he was on the mount in the presence of YHWH.
Moses was on the mount 40 days and drank no water [Exodus 34:28]
and like, nothing could kill Adam 'cept that one thing,
BUT, that one little thing, COULD kill Adam, in other words

Adam was not created Immortal. No, Adam was being vivified by YHWH.

but everyone knows that there was already a controversy in the air

-before- man was ever pulled from the ground. and if you don't know that,
it's easy to find out and you can find out your own self.

why was The Serpent contradicting what God had told Adam/Eve?

obviously, The Serpent already held this opinion BEFORE Adam/Eve became.

Was YHWH -aware- of this opinion? Let's toss in this little bit;

==
Isaiah 14:13

For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also
sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest
sides of the north;
==

and, what my attention is drawn to is this phrase;

"For you have said in your heart"

=meaning=; this person had not yet -acted- on the musings of [his] heart.


and then, we cut -back- to the garden, and reckon that one reason

for this entire scenario is to give this Person, [Lucifer] a -chance-

to -act- upon [his] musings.

and these Musings -of- Lucifer IS the Tree which can bring DEATH

A TREE which is identified as "NOT good for food"


so, we can safely say that YHWH was aware of Lucifer's opinion.

an opinion brewing in Lucifer's heart,

which opinion YHWH did NOT place there.


now, how do we arrange to forgive Lucifer and tell Lucifer

that [his] -false- opinion about God was simply a matter of [his] own

conjurings from within and had no basis in real fact?


another;

"I forgive you Lucifer, you didn't really know what you were doing"

and will -that- heap a mountain of coals down on Luci's head?


i'll be back...


just reemmeber, JESUS is not a puppet...


i'll tidy this up later, maybe.


so, did Adam -fall short- or was he already short?


who cares?


YHWH did not create an evil thing.


there's this step in the process that involves personal input


and if you wanna be like Jesus, you NEED instruction


but /you/ aren't just a robot waiting for programming


you may very well have to come to your senses like this guy, though;


==
Daniel 4:34

And at the end of the time I, Nebuchadnezzar,
lifted my eyes to heaven, and

my understanding returned to me;

and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him
who lives forever: For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
==

see, it's -almost- like Lucifer muses in his heart
that God is Unjust and makes [himself] unjust in
the process and God casts [him] in to the material plane
where he become like a beast of the field blah blah blah
and eventually regains his senses and realizes YHWH is Most High

and NOT Unjust...

yippee


now you can go to bed...


nighty night


or whatever
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-09 14:20:01 UTC
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i like this one; commonly translated as;

===
3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
===

i think it would be better translated as;

===
And YHWH God said; Behold, the man is become as another [away] FROM us,
to perceive good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
===


as if, the man was -another- to fall =away FROM= YHWH as the serpent
already had. because the man certainly did not become one like
YHWH God but became more like the serpent away FROM God.

and this is evident in the vowel pointers inserted by the Masoretes,
and, if you did look at the Masoretic text you would see that,
when the same vowel pointers are used by them, in other places,
you always get "From" and not "of"

for instance;

that _of_ found in genesis 3:22 מִ מֶּ נּו [as one _of_ us]

is the same "from" found in Exodus 8:8 where Pharoah
asks for the frogs to be taken -away- _from_ מִ מ him

and also, the same "from" as Moses says, you shall
-not- take away "from" מִ מֶּ נּו the words of this law,
neither shall you add to it. {Deut 12:32]

and "from" is just about always speaking of a thing
that is taken =away= _from_ something else, even if it
is a thing eaten -from- a particular tree.

one plucks a piece of fruit away -from- a tree,
and when you do, that piece of fruit is no
longer part of that tree, and generally
begins to decay.

so, even if one suggests that "The Man"

was pushed or pulled -away- =from= YHWH

"The Man" is still, -away- _from_ YHWH

and -not- "One -of- Us"


...that tree was not "good for food"

and Eve \thought\ it was "pleasing to the eye" but later
said she was "tricked" God's tree plantings were "pleasing to the eye"
and/or "good for food." i have a theory that the tree itself was
the serpent's own ideology and not God's tree.

so, it could not have made the couple "like God" but "like the serpent"

see it's all very simple, and rapt up in the very identifiers of YHWH
to make this as simple as possible, let's just deal with singulars
like "i" and "me" even if we may find that we have to broaden out
to "we" and "us" because the reality is sort of that way.

ok, so, YHWH says things to the effect;

"i am what i will be"
"i will be what i was"
"i am what i am"
"i will be what i will be"

things like that, where the implication is of
the steadfast nature of YHWH,

that YHWH really and truly -is- The Same YHWH yesterday and
in the future, where "right now" is that very elusive thing
that you can't quite hold in your hands but everyone would
like to think that there is such a thing, "right now"
...oops slipped away, that was -then- and this is -now- ...

so, YHWH is always and forever, YHWH

not a stagnant pond, but a fountain of Living Waters...

where we have a "multifaceted" personality with a "manifold wisdom"

ok, so, now, we think we have a bead on YHWH, hold that for a moment...

now, we want to look as some -other- personalities, even if these
personalities were originally manufactured -by- YHWH, these same
personalities, begin to exhibit a "turning away" -from- original specs

and do -not- "become what they are"

but, instead, "become what they are -not-"

in other words, a distorted lie of sorts

of their -own- manufacture.


now, we look at these three;

the Nachash/serpent in the earthly garden of delights, [genesis 3]

"HeylEl" sometimes called "Lucifer" "light bringer" [Isaiah 14]

and the King of Tyre who was spoken of as an "anointed Cherub" [Ezekiel 28]


the thing that you'll find similar among all these,

is that they did -not-

"become what they were" or "be what they be"

-like- YHWH

but that they "became what they were not"

which is to say, -they- "changed"

and "changed" for the -worse- and -not- the better.

no, they did not become more -like- "The Original"

they wandered -away- =FROM= the Original and

wandered off in to a distorted lie.


it says;

"the serpent became crafty"

"Heylel proposed in [his] heart to become
self Magnified and self Glorified, and was 'cut down'

and that anointed Cherub was created 'flawless'
and -became- filled with 'violence and injustice'

point being, they all "became what they were not"

the "good" that they were created in, -became- a "bad" lie

-they- developed a "perception of good and bad"

-they- questioned the Word of YHWH

-they- 'proposed' a lie in their hearts

-they- -became- 'unjust'



and YHWH

"i am what i will be"
"i will be what i was"
"i am what i am"
"i will be what i will be"


so, these all fell -away- =from= YHWH

and now, we see the two humans in the garden...

"Adam and Eve" if you like... or "The Man" if you will...


when they ate of that tree of the perception of good and bad


-they- =fell= AWAY _FROM_ YHWH and did -not- 'become' "Like YHWH"


-they- became 'like' The serpent...AWAY _From_ YHWH


"Behold, "The Man" has become another [AWAY] _From_ 'Us'

to have a perception of good and bad"



and that _from_ found in genesis 3:22

is the same "from" found in Exodus 8:8 where Pharoah
asks for the frogs to be taken -away- _from_ him

and also, teh same "from" as Moses says, you shall
-not- take away "from" the words of this law,
neither shall you add to it.

and "from" is just about always speaking of a thing
that is taken away from something else, even if it
is a thing eaten -from- a particular tree.

one plucks a piece of fruit away -from- a tree,
and when you do, that piece of fruit is no
longer part of that tree, and generally
begins to decay.

so, even if one suggests that "The Man"

was pushed or pulled -away- =from= YHWH

"The Man" is still, -away- _from_ YHWH

and -not- "One -of- Us"

"One -of- Us" is the very =lie= the serpent told to "the Man"

[yeah yeah yeah, i already said Adam and
Eve could be referred to as "the man"
even if they did become distinct]

YHWH never said;

"do not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it,
you shall become like YHWH and i don't want that"


no no no, YHWH said;


"do not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it,

To Die you shall Die"


in other words, "you shall become DEAD"


and we see how the serpent's form, was actually -changed-
by YHWH so as to reflect the change that had already occurred
in the serpent's heart, becoming 'crafty' and not of the Truth.


oh, and one other little bit;

see, it says that YHWH caused to sprout a variety of
trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food,

and -then- it mentions this "Tree [that] Lives"

being in the midst of the garden,

and -then- the mention is made of this 'other' tree that
was not good for food but called the tree of the 'perception'
of good and bad which was able to make one DEAD if eaten.

now, here the /order/ matters

because, if tree with the perception of good and bad, came -second-,
after the trees which were good for food and pleasing to the eye,
then, one may infer quite readily that YHWH caused -that one- to
"sprout" as well as the others, but, in that the tree of Life,
or the tree that -already- lives, is placed second, between
the trees pleasing to the eye and good for food,

we need not suggest that this tree of perception of good and bad,

was among those caused to sprout by YHWH,

and this is because, this tree that lives,

the tree of Life, is already alive and lives forevermore
and need not be -caused- to sprout and is even associated
with the wisdom and inherent perpetual life of YHWH.

so, you have, YHWH causing trees which are good
for food and pleasing to the eye, to sprout,

and, then, speaking of a tree that simply -lives-
which is already in the midst of the garden

and then, speaking of this other
tree which is not good for food

of which the serpent used lies to cause them to eat of it.
And YHWH God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us
one little thing of note;

'YHWH' does not appear in any english translation.

and 'YHWH' does not mean 'LORD' whether capitalized or no.

and this is still what is in the hebrew text of genesis 3:22

so, not even does the context of all the bible
agree with that notion, but the text itself
doesn't even say that.

and, 'YHWH' does not mean Lord nor does 'Lord' mean YHWH.

they did not become like YHWH Elohim
after having taken from the tree of
the knowledge of good and bad.


==
Genesis 2:8-9,...16-17
YHWH God planted a garden eastward in Eden,
and there He put the man whom He had formed.
And out of the ground YHWH God made every tree
grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.
The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
...
And YHWH God commanded the man, saying, 'Of every
tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the
tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall
not eat, for in the day that you eat of it
you shall surely die.'
-
Proverbs 3:13,...18-19
Happy is the man who finds wisdom,
And the man who gains understanding;
...
She is a tree of life to those who
take hold of her, And happy are all
who retain her. YHWH by wisdom
founded the earth; By understanding
He established the heavens;
-
Genesis 3:4-6
Then the serpent said to the woman, You will
not surely die. For God knows that in the day
you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you
will be like God, knowing good and evil. So when
the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a
tree desirable to make one wise, she
took of its fruit and ate.
-
Proverbs 11:29-30
He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind,
And the fool will be servant to the wise of heart.
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,
-
Genesis 3:7-8
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and
they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig
leaves together and made themselves coverings.
And they heard the sound of YHWH God walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his
wife hid themselves from the presence of YHWH God
among the trees of the garden.
-
Proverbs 3:11-12
My son, do not despise the chastening
of YHWH, Nor detest His correction; For
whom YHWH loves He corrects, Just as a
father the son in whom he delights.
-
Genesis 3:9-10
Then YHWH God called to Adam and said to him,
Where are you? So he said, I heard Your voice
in the garden, and I was afraid because I
was naked; and I hid myself.
-
Proverbs 15:3-5
The eyes of YHWH are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
A wholesome tongue is a tree of life,
But perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
A fool despises his father's instruction,
But he who receives correction is prudent.
-
Genesis 3:11-12
And He said, Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded
you that you should not eat? Then the man said,
The woman whom You gave to be with me,
she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
-
Revelation 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit says to the churches. To him
who overcomes I will give to eat from
the tree of life, which is in the
midst of the Paradise of God.
==




Then the serpent said to the woman, 'You will not surely die.
For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will
be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.'

The woman said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I ate.'

[the slanderer] does not stand in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he
speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar
and the father of it. [John 8:44]
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-09 15:02:04 UTC
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one little thing, it could be suggested that the trees
planted by YHWH in the garden were pleasing to the eye,
and/OR good for food,

but, seeing that this tree was -not- "good for food"
somewhat disqualifies it as having been placed by YHWH.

it's possible some trees were 'pleasing to the eye'
but had no real 'food value' -but- these 'trees'
-are- denoted as somewhat 'figurative' in another place.

===
Ezekiel 31
<...>
Whom are you like in your greatness?
Indeed Assyria was a cedar in Lebanon,
With fine branches that shaded the forest,
And of high stature;
And its top was among the thick boughs.
The waters made it grow;
Underground waters gave it height,
With their rivers running around the place where it was planted,
And sent out rivulets to all the trees of the field.
<...>
No tree in the garden of God was like it in beauty.
I made it beautiful with a multitude of branches,
So that all the trees of Eden envied it,
That were in the garden of God.
<...>
To which of the trees in Eden will you then be likened
in glory and greatness? Yet you shall be brought down with
the trees of Eden to the depths of the earth; you shall lie
in the midst of the uncircumcised, with those slain by
the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude,\92
says YHWH God.
===


the main emphasis here, by me, is that it speaks
of "trees in the garden" as if they were people
or peoploids at least.

so, one can see how, a "tree" in the garden,
may come with it's own little 'ideology'
inasmuch as such a "tree" seems to
have these peoploid qualities.

and, as we see in another place...
speaking of "chokma" or "wisdom"

==
Proverbs 3:17-19

Her ways are ways of pleasantness, And all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her, And happy
are all who retain her.

YHWH , by wisdom founded the earth; By understanding

established the heavens;
==

==
Proverbs 11:29-31

He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind,
And the fool will be servant to the wise of heart.

The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,
And he who wins hearts is wise.
If the righteous will be recompensed on the earth,
How much more the ungodly and the sinner.
==

==
Proverbs 15:3-5

The eyes of YHWH are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.

A wholesome tongue is a tree of life,

But perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
A fool despises his father's instruction,
But he who receives correction is prudent.
==

see, THE "Tree of Life"

would not ever be considered "unwholesome for food"
but, this other tree is not deemed "good for food"

and we can begin to see what sort of attributes this 'tree'
which is not good for food, may impart on the partaker.

and one tiny little detail;

==
Mark 16:17-19

And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall
speak with new tongues;

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven, and sat on
the right hand of God.
==

suggesting that YHWH and Jesus cannot be poisoned by this "bad medicine"
and, should we ever mature, -we- would be immune to such "bad medicine"
as is the fruit of this 'other tree' which was -called- "poisonous"
inasmuch as it is not only not good for food, but very good
to make one -dead-.


but, YHWH cannot be hurt by picking up the -signals-
of that 'cherub' that was purposing in its heart
a "lie" against YHWH.

==
Isaiah 14:12-14

How you are fallen from heaven, O HeylEl, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.\92
==

see, YHWH could not be "poisoned" -by- such an attitude, and, in fact,
is the Only GOD able to see clearly enough to fully expose such
a purpose in a heart -as- incorrect.

etc.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-09 15:12:50 UTC
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===
Ezekiel 31
<...>
No tree in the garden of God was like it in beauty.
  I made it beautiful with a multitude of branches,
So that all the trees of Eden envied it,
That were in the garden of God.
<...>
To which of the trees in Eden will you then be likened
in glory and greatness? Yet you shall be brought down with
the trees of Eden to the depths of the earth; you shall lie
  in the midst of the uncircumcised, with those slain by
the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude,\92
says YHWH God.
===
see, we're talking to and about a Person
and comparing that to trees in the garden
as if other trees in the garden are Person-ish.

so, it isn't even a grand leap to look at
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad
as, in part, a Personification of some
Being's Ideological leanings.

and those be NOT Gods' -own- ideological leanings.

cuz GOd says, "don't eat that"


furthermore...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 21:20:18 UTC
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one tiny tiny little detail, there are others like it;

IF Jesus was proposing some /other God/ -not- YHWH,

THEN, he fails in his mission and dies in his sins.

that seems trivially simple enough as it is.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-08 21:23:49 UTC
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one tiny tiny little detail, there are others like it;
IF Jesus was proposing some /other God/ -not- YHWH,
THEN, he fails in his mission and dies in his sins.
that seems trivially simple enough as it is.
blessed is he who comes in the Name of YHWH...

no question in _my_ mind about it.


==
2 Timothy 2:13

If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
==
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-13 11:13:47 UTC
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dear Mr, Ukraine,

don't take it too personally,

it's not "absurd" as you might think

but, you're just caught in a "Catch-22"

sort of like;


"you'll get what you need when you don't need it anymore"


and that was already true in the ARMY
=before= some guy wrote a book about it. [see Catch-22]


right now,


"just accept this /justice/ as a token of our friendship"
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-17 12:00:47 UTC
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O n e m o r e t i m e;


Finally, you people, whatever is true, whatever is noble,
whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely,
whatever is admirable,

if Anything is excellent or praiseworthy

dwell on THese things.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-21 12:57:04 UTC
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How to Celebrate The Day of Rest;


Bring your True Faith before Your God with empty hands and nothing else.


"where do we get this snake oil?"


God will provide the Offering.



and now, the commentary;
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-21 14:10:05 UTC
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How to Celebrate The Day of Rest;
Bring your True Faith before Your God with empty hands and nothing else.
"where do we get this snake oil?"
God will provide the Offering.
and now, the commentary;
well, it's less 'commentary' and more /what brought me here?/... Today
to make that statement...

i caught a glimpse of the Cain and Abel story on the news

and i went back to before the beginning, again, and simply asked

"who asked?"

as in,I don't see YHWH God anywhere in this episode
ask Cain or Abel or Adam or anyone else,,,For anything,
like an offering or whatever.

Cain and Abel just took it upon themselves to bring some sort of
offering, and God /looked/ at one and didn't /look/ at tuther.

but, we remember, that God searches the hearts and tests the minds of
people.


==
Jeremiah 17:10

I, YHWH, search the heart, I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.
==


God reveals a hand slowly...

so, while YHWH God was searching the hearts of these Two,
of whom nothing was asked, God must have detected some
the Whys and the Wherefores of these two.

WHY are these two bringing things to God?


oh, by the way, look who else searches and tests;

==
Revelation 2:18 ; 23

‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire,
<...> and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the
minds and hearts.
And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
==


one's intentions was pure and one's wasn't.

"not as the world gives do i give you" [John 14:27]

see, Jesus already mentioned a distinction, between how "the
world..."gives""

and how God ..."gives"

and clearly when God gives, God expects nothing in return,

"lend , hoping for nothing in return" [Luke 6:35]

but, "the world" does expect things in return for a gift..."quid quo
pro" [see Luke 14:12]

so, what's this got to do with The "Sabbath"?


just don't bring some wierd "offering" like a cake with a file in it

cuz that isn't going to get you in to free territory,

that's just gunna _prove_ that your mind and heart are /still/ jailed up.

no, you face your Maker empty handed, don't bring a greasy rag with you,

or Anything so as to focus attention of you and your so-called
"accomplishments"

Be a hilariously happy giver, that's fine,

but don't use -that- as some sort of leverage to Get you some thing else
in return...


see how easy this is?

it practically writes itself...


"yeah, but what's the point?"


POINT? what Point?


the dang thing STARTED with the point...


Cain slew Abel cuz the Tree disease had already spread to his heart
and mind.


and what's the Tree disease?


in a word//// want


let's not circle in the dessert...


i'll stop here for a while...
unknown
2023-07-21 15:37:14 UTC
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Protestant eevengelical pastor:

3 min. youtube:


Georg Tillerman
2023-07-21 16:36:32 UTC
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something like that was actually the first thing
that crossed my mind when you were looking for
the olde Temple, but i didn't say anything because
it wasn't really relative to
the video about where the olde one was.

but i did look at that video, about
the weatherman and the archeologist.

but really, that Temple of Living Stones is not -just- Jesus

==
Ephesians 2:19-21

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners,
but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household
of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and
prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows
into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being
built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
==


but i get the point.


The Lamb is The Lamp...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-21 17:18:05 UTC
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==
Ephesians 2:19-21
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners,
but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household
of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and
 prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows
into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being
built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
==
but i get the point.
The Lamb is The Lamp...
seems like a good place to show this parallel;


==
Isaiah 60:19-20

"The sun shall no longer be your light by day,
Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you;
But YHWH will be to you an everlasting light,
And your God your glory. Your sun shall no
longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself;
For YHWH will be your everlasting light,
And the days of your mourning shall be ended.
=
Revelation 21:22-23

But I saw no temple in it, for the
Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon
to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it.
The Lamb is its light.
==


etc.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-21 17:25:23 UTC
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==
Isaiah 60:19-20
"The sun shall no longer be your light by day,
Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you;
But YHWH will be to you an everlasting light,
And your God your glory. Your sun shall no
longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself;
For YHWH will be your everlasting light,
And the days of your mourning shall be ended.
=
Revelation 21:22-23
But I saw no temple in it, for the
Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon
to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it.
The Lamb is its light.
==
a longer version;


"the Lamb is the Lamp"

---
Revelation 21:23
And the city has no need of the sun nor of
the moon, that they should shine for it; for
the glory of God has enlightened it, and
the lamp thereof [is] the Lamb.
---

remember who the Lamb is;

---
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him,
and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes
away the sin of the world!

John 1:36
And looking at Jesus as He walked,
he said, "Behold the Lamb of God!"
---

what you should see is that a "lamp"
-is- a spirit in what we may call
"bible parlance" that is, you should
see how a "lamp" is used as
synonymous with spirit.

God's Own Lamp is not a
vessel like Alladin's lamp.

a "lamp" is also the light that shines.

greek; "lampein" means "to shine"

Holy Spirit is, in fact, a lamp.

David says this;

---
Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my
feet And a light to my path.
---

but see, he's already said this;

---
Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
---


the reason that David could say that
YHWH's Word was a lamp to his feet was
-because- the Holy Spirit was a
lamp to his mind.

because;

---
Isaiah 6:10
Make the heart of this people calloused; make
their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise
they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
---


which implies that without God's light to
the mind, you can read the God's Word all
day long and get zero out of it.

and all the bits about the eye
being the lamp of the body etc.

the Holy Spirit is the Eye of God

it illuminates man.


---
Proverbs 20:26-28
A wise king sifts out the wicked, And
brings the threshing wheel over them.
the spirit of a man is the lamp of YHWH
Searching all the inner depths of his
heart. Mercy and truth preserve the king,
And by lovingkindness he upholds his throne.
---


the spirit of man is the lamp of YHWH.
therefore, a "spirit" is like a lamp.

now look here;


---
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knows the things of a man except the
spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one
knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
---


alright, so you see that man has a spirit
in him and God, also, has a Spirit.
can say "is a Spirit" but that's
not the issue here.

so look, if man's spirit, is YHWH's lamp,
then God's Spirit is God's OWN Lamp.

and one that burns perpetually and never
need fueling or refilling or whathaveyou.

look at these from Exodus, which are
likenesses of the Eternal Realities.


---
Exodus 27:20
"And you shall command the children of Israel
that they bring you pure oil of pressed olives
for the light, to cause the lamp to burn continually.

Leviticus 24:2
"Command the children of Israel that they bring
to you pure oil of pressed olives for the light,
to make the lamps burn continually.

Leviticus 24:4
He shall be in charge of the lamps on the
pure gold lampstand before YHWH continually.
---
---
Hebrews 9:24
For Christ has not entered the holy places
made with hands, which are copies of the true,
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the
presence of God for us;
---


see, these Lamps are to burn continually.

yes, they are physical copies and shadows of
the eternal realities, but the point of issue
is that they are -supposed- to be ever burning
and as such, God's Spirit never ceases,
but is everlasting.

i throw this in just for good measure;

---
2 Samuel 22:28-30
You will save the humble people;
But Your eyes are on the haughty,
that You may bring them down.
"For You are my lamp, YHWH;
YHWH shall enlighten my darkness.
For by You I can run against a troop;
By my God I can leap over a wall.
---


look, YHWH is a lamp also.

just like Lamb is a lamp.

Lamp is a figurative term
used to describe a facet of God.

please, this is considering a Spiritual thing,
in terms that only shadow the reality. we are
not considering Lamb as if Lamb was a lamp
which must be continually filled with oil
and whose wick must be trimmed etc.

this is not the case.

this "lamp" is an integral part of God.

in fact, it's as if this Lamp -is- God,
and that is exactly how you should
be seeing this.

YHWH is sending YHWH into a human flesh.
that which resides in the flesh is YHWH.
the True Light.

but now, we see that Lamb is alive
forevermore and everlasting, as before.

and as above, just as the spirit in man
is YHWH's lamp, so is Christ's Spirit,
the Holy Spirit, God's OWN Lamp.

only this Lamp is perpetually lit.

and God's Glory Shines forth from God.

God is both Light and Lamp.


---
Matthew 6:22
"The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore
your eye is good, your whole body will be full
of light.

Luke 11:34
The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore,
when your eye is good, your whole body also
is full of light. But when your eye is bad,
your body also is full of darkness.

Revelation 5:6
And between the throne and the four living creatures
and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though
it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes,
which are the seven spirits of God sent
out into all the earth;
---


see, The Lamb has seven eyes like seven
lamps only some agree that seven is ONE Week,
and these seven eyes are the seven sprits of God,
which most will agree there is but One Spirit of God.

so, this agrees quite readily
with what was shown above.

that this "Lamp" is God's Own Spirit,
and not a thing which is -not- God.

can you see this?

and God's Lamp never goes out nor is it
in need of refueling, nor is it an
abstractable thing which is -not- God.

this "Lamp" is God's OWN Spirit.

and the Lamb has -Eyes-
which are God's Spirit.

and therefore, as it were,
the Lamb is Lamp, but not
-only- Lamp.

God -is- a Holy Spirit.

and this Light burns perpetually.

and Jesus is The Lamb and
The Lamb is The Lamp and the
Lamp is The Spirit of God.

Jesus Christ, not only
is YHWH incarnate but
is the Spirit of God.

---
Ephesians 2:22
in whom you also are built into it for
a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:17
and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through
faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

2 Timothy 1:14
guard the truth that has been entrusted to you
by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.
---


and Jesus is The Lamb and
The Lamb is The Lamp and the
Lamp is The Spirit of God.
Jesus Christ, not only
is YHWH incarnate but
is the Spirit of God.


Christ is in your midst;

there is no Temple in the world
to come, God will dwell -in- them.

---
Romans 12:5
so we, though many, are one body in Christ,
and individually members one of another.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For just as the body is one and has many members,
and all the members of the body, though many, are
one body, so it is with Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ
and individually members of it.
---
1 Corinthians 15:44-46
It is sown a physical body, it is raised a
spiritual body. If there is a physical body,
there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written,
"The first man Adam became a living being"; the last
Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not
the spiritual which is first but the physical,
and then the spiritual.
---
Ephesians 2:21-22
in whom the whole structure is joined together
and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in
whom you also are built into it for a dwelling
place of God in the Spirit.

Revelation 21:3
and I heard a loud voice from the throne
saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men.
He will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself will be with them;

2 Corinthians 5:1-3
For we know that if the earthly tent we live
in is destroyed, we have a building from God,
a house not made with hands, eternal in the
heavens. Here indeed we groan, and long to put
on our heavenly dwelling, so that by putting
it on we may not be found naked.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and
the Father in me? The words that I say to you
I do not speak on my own authority; but the
Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 14:17
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world
cannot receive, because it neither sees him
nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells
with you, and will be in you.

Acts 7:47-49
But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made
with hands; as the prophet says, 'Heaven is my
throne, and earth my footstool. What house will
you build for me, says the Lord, or what
is the place of my rest?
---


there is no house that man can build
to house God. that's the whole
bloody point.


---
1 Corinthians 3:15-17
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss,
though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's
Spirit dwells in you? If any one destroys God's temple,
God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy,
and that temple you are.

Ephesians 2:22
in whom you also are built into it for
a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:17
and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through
faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

2 Timothy 1:14
guard the truth that has been entrusted to you
by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.

Revelation 21:2-4
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband; and I heard a loud voice from the
throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with
men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself will be with them; he will
wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall
be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying
nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away."
---


there is no Temple, the Body of Christ,
the Church, the Bride of Christ is a
dwelling place for God.


---
Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his
Bride has made herself ready;

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming
down out of heaven from God, prepared as
a bride adorned for her husband;

2 Corinthians 11:2
I feel a divine jealousy for you, for
I betrothed you to Christ to present
you as a pure bride to her one husband.

Revelation 21:9
Then came one of the seven angels who had the
seven bowls full of the seven last plagues,
and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will
show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."
---

Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:37:31 UTC
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In Grand Scheme Dynamics, there are very L O N G Days

and little /apparent/ 24 hour days all blur together

like minutes and seconds do, -in- our apparent 24s.

it's just one Long Day and you may take naps during the course on it

but slowly, "Friday" may /feel/ like a wednesday,

and the days seem to blur together.

"you said that already"

did i?


maybe i'll add teh bit about breaking up the monotony here...



just a sec



"why double space and triple space?"



sometimes, the "negative space" of the letters

against the empty part of the page,

has interesting shape to it...


it just sort of happens
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:43:35 UTC
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In Grand Scheme Dynamics, there are very    L O N G    Days
and little /apparent/ 24 hour days all blur together
like minutes and seconds do, -in- our apparent 24s.
it's just one Long Day and you may take naps during the course on it
but slowly, "Friday" may /feel/ like a wednesday,
and the days seem to blur together.
"you said that already"
      did i?
maybe i'll add teh bit about breaking up the monotony here...
just a sec
avoid mechanized thinking.


no, don't deny the mechanized nature in reality,

avoid allowing the mechanism to dictate.

and...



"yes dear, it's time for your
regularly scheduled breakup
of the monotony"


now all we have to do is figure out
how to randomly schedule something.

yes, we are staggering the schedule,
in a staggered fashion.

but, its geometric progression tells
us that even the breakup of the monotony
will become the schedule

you have your little schedule and
start scheduling in rescheduling.


MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF
MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF
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MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF MWF
MWF MWF MWF T TH S MWF MWF MWF

what about the 'switches'?


increased stability is afforded by finer detail.
"why double space and triple space?"
sometimes, the "negative space" of the letters
against the empty part of the page,
has interesting shape to it...
it just sort of happens
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:45:40 UTC
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but, its geometric progression tells
us that even the breakup of the monotony
will become the schedule
so, one could say that such a

'breakup of the monotony'

-initiates the inclusion- of a
finer detail into the 'schedule.'

and this finer detail affords a
greater stability to the system.

translation?

probably...
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Post by Georg Tillerman
increased stability is afforded by finer detail.
but, its geometric progression tells
Post by Georg Tillerman
us that even the breakup of the monotony
will become the schedule
and this finer detail affords a
greater stability to the system.
we can suggest that as we progress
we will simply be finding the greater degree
of detail that is already present in the system,

and in so doing, afford ourselves a more
stable association with the system itself,

and not be at odds with the system,
in whatever guise it dons
for a specific instance.

for instance, when your comprehension
of the system is a four toothed gear,

and the system itself is a
fine spline of 1024 teeth,

the mesh is not as nice as it could be.

here we run into two possible outcomes,

the system itself conflicting with, chewing up
and ruining your personalized considerations, or,

the system itself being an assist in
fashioning your 'gears' to fit -it-.

where your willingness to be formed and
shaped by fine detail is a considerable factor
in your achieving an optimum performance.

but still, we would rise above
purely mechanical thinking.

and we will...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:55:06 UTC
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if there is nothing and only nothing

the only possible replica of nothing is nothing,

and, nothing can do nothing and only nothing is.

in order for something to be,

something always is.



what is

the original something

the original indivisible entirety

that which is




activity potential

something can happen

something does something

something happens



if nothing is nothing is done



something that is is something that does


is does



something does something to something



nothing else is

that can do something

to something



is does



is acts on is

is is not acted upon

because nothing else is



how is does is known to is


this is who is is

the one who knows

is is is



something that is is something
that can be doing something


something that is is something that
can be making something happen.


and there is the origin

the beginning

and the end of all regression


The Origin


Is Is


The Primary Source

Is aware
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:56:53 UTC
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given the nature of this universe,

postulating God is perfectly reasonable.

the material universe is not infinitely old
the material universe has a beginning

unreasonable to assume that the smallest
volume of the universe is finite and non-zero.

zero volume completely removes any
possibility of harmonic oscillation
from matter.

now, show yourself that there
is no tuning fork to -induce-
a vibration in anything
else anywhere.

now, what made the material universe ignite?

no accidental ignition is possible.
no accidental ignition is possible.
no accidental ignition is possible.

there simply is no trigger.

and there is your absolute necessity
for a Creative Personality.

genesis can -not- be an accident.

and that which you can see now,
was brought into being by this
Creative Personality which
you can not see.

otherwise, the material universe
never ignites, it remains static.

The Creator Made the material universe happen.

it's that simple.

this is -reasonable-

and that's all that matters.

it is -reasonable-
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 10:57:54 UTC
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i did mention the "semi-permeable membrane" bit before...
so, either you say that all people have the Holy Spirit
abiding from flesh birth and no matter what they do or think,
it is the Holy Spirit who does and thinks....<...>
Is God spirit?
more to the point, is hydrogen gas, "spirit"?

is gold and platinum, "spirit"?
Is God infinite?
hydrogen gas, gold and platinum do not seem to be "infinite"

based on keen observations, these -things- are "finite"
If God is INFINITE SPIRIT (holy Spirit)
then there is NOWHERE where God is not.
if you draw a distinction between matter and "spirit"

then, it may be somewhat like a "semi-permeable membrane"


because we may be able to suggest that "God's Spirit"

has no such "exclusion principle" as does matter


and therefore, can be present 'where' matter is present,

without -being- itself, made of matter, while
we cannot say the same thing about matter

in that matter is finite and not present

where there is no matter present.


and now there's the prospect of -interaction-


and, 'finite' matter may not be able to
-comprehend- "Spirit" unless that Spirit
make itself known.


man seems to be in possession of a "consciousness emulator"


while God is "Pure Consciousness"


and then there is "communication"

or the prospect thereof of such a communcation
between said "consciousness emulators"
and God's own Pure Consciousness


and this is the distinction we point out.


that of communicative interaction betwen God and man


and not just assuming that being in a universe where God IS


demands such communication without direction.
the semi-permeable membrane
if, you skip over the "procedure and methodology" section,

you will never be able to compare a result

with the "results" section,

and it would never be my compelling element
to -plead- with -anyone- who will -not- follow
the "procedures and methodologies" section
and simply says;

"i don't get your results and therefore,
your results are invalid"






in other words,

i don't have to plead with anyone or any group

to follow the "procedures and methodologies" section,

but who, simply -insist- that their ignorance and

lack of knowledge is the -only- _possible_ result.



all the while, 'they' or whomsoever is/are all to willing
to take dish fed results sections about phenomena that
-they- have never experienced personally for granted
and -without- "personal experience" as "evidence"



so, they 'believe' one thing that they have never
=personally= experienced because they want to be
part of that group who follows such and such an ideology,

but make demands of another group for -evidence- that
-they- are simply unwilling to gather up -by- following
the proper and correct "procedures and methodologies"

and so, by personal preference
and personal preference alone,

they accept one ideological framework as correct
-without- personal experience -as- 'evidence'

and reject another ideological framework
simply because they won't -look- -for-
the evidences themselves, and rush precipitously
to the conclusion that there is no evidence to be seen,

based on group favorability and group favorability alone.


anyway, a semi-permeable membrane, in the natural,
is like a grating that allows some things to pass through
and yet, prevents other things from passing through,
like maybe sodium ions which are small can pass through
and potassium ions which are larger cannot,
so, an electircal gradient it set up and this
helps to regulate heart contrctions etc.

so, in likeness,

this is a gradient which certain phenomena

can pass ---> in a one way fashion

you may not be able to just waltz over through
the semi-permeable membrane and "see" God almighty,

but God almighty, not only can, but -must- come
'through the veil' to you.


and 'communion' is possible but then we have

to, also, deal with the 'signal to noise' problems...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 11:04:28 UTC
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the consciousness of God is the medium

see, before there was any thing
God is conscious of God aside from any thing
the consciousness of God is the medium
upon which the consciousness of God propagates.

for all practical purposes, 'our' consciousness
is propagated upon the electrical impulses
generated by our 'brains'
we have and are, essentially, a
'consciousness emulator'

this consciousness emulator, which we are,
can detect and magnify the consciousness
of God which dwells inviolable
needing no physical medium upon which
to propagate and impervious to tresspass
by any and all physical adulteration.


and so, we shed the 'dead works'
associated with our physical beings
which stand in the way of our conscious
reception of the Holy Conciousness of God.

likewise, as the Holy Consciousness of God
pares away our physical barriers to the Presence
we 'see the light' of this Holy Consciousness of God
more clearly as through a polished lens and not
a dark mirror.

this is the 'Magnificat'

in essence
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-23 12:18:24 UTC
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but, its geometric progression tells
us that even the breakup of the monotony
will become the schedule
so, one could say that such a
    'breakup of the monotony'
-initiates the inclusion- of a
finer detail into the 'schedule.'
and this finer detail affords a
greater stability to the system.
sort of like, when some people are-were
in developeMental stages, the little wax wheel
in their brains had a large rut laid down as
opposed to fine grooves.

and every stimulus and thought that comes
to them, gravitates into that particular
rut and they interpret these based on
comparisons to that catch-all rut.

while these may not be able to recoup
a system of fine grooves in their heads,
they can terrace that rut so as to slowly
creep out of that rut and not be a prisoner
to a knee that doesn't even jerk any more.

needless to say, everyone should probably
be continuously fine tuning their brain waves
so as to avoid any similarly perilous precipices,
and to avoid falling over to cliffs into headlong
spiralling towards abyssmal mentallities.

we have help.

etcetera etcetera etcetera





it has something to do with a stumbling block.

like there's a seemingly trivial barrier.

and then i fade back into the stuff
everyone has heard several times.

is 'good deeds' a result or a cause?

in as much as -it-, 'good deeds', can be
a result and a cause, one can trip over
-it-, 'good deeds'

when is it result and when is is cause?

in this funny place, around the stumbling block,
it seems as if 'good deeds' is -first- a result
and -then- a cause.

speaking of the love of God,

'good deeds' don't cause God to love,

the love of God will result in 'good deeds'

and then, 'good deeds' will, in a sense,
cause or bring about, a deeper and more
profound understanding of God in
the abiding presence.

so, in a certain sense,
as the stumbling block
is processed correctly, ....what?

what?

or is that obvious?
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-24 11:59:15 UTC
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==
Ecclesiastes 1:1

The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:
<...>
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem.
13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom
all that is done under the heavens.
==

Solomon says what is on =his= mind,

but nowhere do we see;

"The Word of YHWH came to me and said such and such"

no, he applies -his- heart and mind and guess what, Solomon is =Vexed=

so?

allst i'm saying is that you can't rely on everything that
comes out of Solomon's mouth as if Jesus himself had said it,
because Jesus -didn't- say these things, Solomon did.

Solomon was /anointed/ as King of Israel

but nowhere do we see ;

"and The Spirit of YHWH came upon Solomon"

and besides, other men were anointed King of Israel
and they did -evil- in the sight of YHWH, so
just being /anointed/ King of Israel doesn't mean
that The Spirit of Christ dwells within or
is even come upon such a one.

no, Solomon sets his own heart and mind in the things which VEX him.

and he doesn't always have an answer to these VEXing problems.

so?

allst i'm saying is that you can't rely on everything that
comes out of Solomon's mouth as if Jesus himself had said it,
because Jesus -didn't- say these things, Solomon did.

not at all putting Solomon down nor denigrating him in any manner

but -he- , Solomon, doesn't -claim- to be speaking For YHWH God.

that's all.

so?

so ,pulling out a Solomon quote and saying ;

"there that settles it"...-doesn't-...settle ...anything

...Solomon is Vexed...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-26 11:38:27 UTC
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filters
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-28 10:12:05 UTC
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Biden was speaking in toungues
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-28 10:35:24 UTC
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Biden was speaking in toungues
it doesn't matter if olde Joe is a greezy politician or not,

Our, The USA's, Romans 13 Emperor is a piece of paper with human
scrawlings on it.

yes, in this country, the Constitution is very much "The Emperor"

and if you wanna abide in the Emperor's wishes, you abide in the
constitution.

and more often than not, we -do- get a /President/ who reflects
all of OUR failings -and- good points, if we can find any.

and congress as well, we get what we are...

so vote, the Romans 13 Emperor wants you to vote.

-and- pray for the doddering olde fools

we NEED to pray for our doddering olde fools,
cuz if you are LUCKY, someday you too will be
a doddering olde fool.

and so many of US will be looking -backwards- and saying


"gee i wish i could have tweaked my actions just a little

bit when i was a YOUNG olde fool"




o help me Jesus, help both the doddering olde fools, AND

the newly arrived olde fools...



we need it...


Yes and Be it So


a m e n


there, i prayed for you...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-28 11:22:17 UTC
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Yes and Be it So
a m e n
there, i prayed for you...
and, believe it or not, this does sort of
tie in to where i was heading with the "filters" bit,
even if it seems to have no relation.

it's just that each of us, in -some- manner,
are sort of /filters/ through which
the Light of God passes.

even the very weakest of magnifications
and apparent darkness of the image,
is still, redeemable to a higher vision.

But, what -do- you see when you look at your shadow?

are /we/ at all, magnifying God's presence?

Yes

and here's where the "how dark is the darkness," bit, comes in.


Look -for- The Light


it;'s There

and YOU are an interferometer filter through which Light may pass.

what images appear on YOUR wall?



Mr. Nice Guy...


if -you- had a family of 350 million people.

-you'd- have to worry about those "estranged" as well.



10 Billion... no body could stand the weight


crying over each and every injured party...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-28 11:33:42 UTC
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i'm still thankful to be alive

for one thing, i've been blessed to SEE /atonement/


recklessness has been superceded by something better


and i -didn't- bring shame and opprobrium upon my dear olde parents


no, i practically managed to honor them.


and that was NOT..../easy/


thank you Jesus...


i'm just _thankful_...Not...full of myself


project that back on to me, and i can die in peace...
Georg Tillerman
2023-07-28 11:40:01 UTC
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and for my olde Egyptian friend,,,

my Heart IS Light as a feather

Thank you Jesus



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