We know Jesus is God because of what's reported in the gospel of John

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though, apparently
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Matthew

Mat 1:23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,God withus.

Mat 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee,
Jesus, thou Son ofGod? art thou come hither to tormentus before the time?

Mat 26:63-64 (KJV)

63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him,
I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the
Christ, the Son of God.

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you,
Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven.

Just a taste of the numerous references to Jesus as God.

Mark

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;” (Mar 1:1,
KJV)

“And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus,
thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me
not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.” (Mar
5:7-8, KJV)

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you
hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but
their heart is far from me.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.

Jesus speaking of himself, as Godm reported my Mark.

Luke

Luk 4:9-12 (KJV)

9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple,
and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep
thee:

11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy
foot against a stone.

12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the
Lord thy God.

Satan thought because Jesus had set aside his Glory in heaven, to become a
man such as us, that he was therefore as weak as man who had a sinful nature,
could then tempt Jesus in his weakened state. Jesus did not yield in any
manner, and flat out told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord THY God".

I see no reason to add more verses of these men recognizing that Jesus was
God, as these are more than enough. And I would bet that you knew of all of
these verses before you even posted this thread.

Mary never could do anything for you, or help you in any way. She was not
authorized to do so.

Regarding the cross.

In the Old Testament there was a plague of snakes to kill thousands of
Israelis, There as a stake lifted up with a brass snake upon it and they were
told if they looked upon that snake, they would be healed. Afterwards, they
kept the snake for remembrance sake, but it turned into an object of worship,
an Idol which man worshipped. Yet it had no power, but the Jews did not care.
Finally a wise king destroyed the artifact as it took the minds of people off
God and the Idol became god to them.

Jesus referred to that object of deliverance, and said so shall the son of
Man be lifted up,...

Joh 3:14-15 (KJV)

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son
of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Many churches have the cross with Jesus on it, who worship it in the same
manner of idolatry. Yet it will not scare away zombies, Dracula, the undead,
any more than that brass snake could. It, like the cross was a sign for the
time of deliverance. Neither object has any power. Yet many lose what little
faith in God they had, when they tightly hold the cross, gave the sign of the
cross or prayed to it, only to see nothing change for the better.

Ted

2023-01-02 22:41:01 UTC

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though,

apparently

Post by Ted
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Matthew
Mat 1:23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted

is,God withus.

Post by Ted
Mat 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee,
Jesus, thou Son ofGod? art thou come hither to tormentus before the time?
Mat 26:63-64 (KJV)
63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him,
I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the
Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you,
Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven.
Just a taste of the numerous references to Jesus as God.
Mark
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;” (Mar 1:1,
KJV)
“And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus,
thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou

torment me

Post by Ted
not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean

spirit.” (Mar

Post by Ted
5:7-8, KJV)
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you
hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but
their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
Jesus speaking of himself, as Godm reported my Mark.
Luke
Luk 4:9-12 (KJV)
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple,
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy
foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the
Lord thy God.
Satan thought because Jesus had set aside his Glory in heaven, to become a
man such as us, that he was therefore as weak as man who had a

sinful nature,

Post by Ted
could then tempt Jesus in his weakened state. Jesus did not yield in any
manner, and flat out told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord THY God".
I see no reason to add more verses of these men recognizing that Jesus was
God, as these are more than enough. And I would bet that you knew of all of
these verses before you even posted this thread.
Mary never could do anything for you, or help you in any way. She was not
authorized to do so.
Regarding the cross.
In the Old Testament there was a plague of snakes to kill thousands of
Israelis, There as a stake lifted up with a brass snake upon it and they were
told if they looked upon that snake, they would be healed.

Afterwards, they

Post by Ted
kept the snake for remembrance sake, but it turned into an object of worship,
an Idol which man worshipped. Yet it had no power, but the Jews did not care.
Finally a wise king destroyed the artifact as it took the minds of people off
God and the Idol became god to them.
Jesus referred to that object of deliverance, and said so shall the son of
Man be lifted up,...
Joh 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have

eternal life.

Post by Ted
Many churches have the cross with Jesus on it, who worship it in the same
manner of idolatry. Yet it will not scare away zombies, Dracula, the undead,
any more than that brass snake could. It, like the cross was a sign for the
time of deliverance. Neither object has any power. Yet many lose what little
faith in God they had, when they tightly hold the cross, gave the sign of the
cross or prayed to it, only to see nothing
change for the better.

Beautiful, Robert. You've thrown every insubstantial straw you could
think of. Matthew 1:23 is one of my favorites, as he's citing one of
Isaiah's prophecies and claiming it predicts Jesus. My guess is that
you know the prophecy, but just in case you don't, here's what
happened:

Ahaz: "OMG, those fuckers in Israel and Aram are gonna gang up on my
ass! I need to ask the Assyrian emperor for help!"

Isaiah: "Nah, you don't need to ask him for nuthin. Listen, King, a
young woman (NOT virgin) is gonna birth a kid and before that little
fucker is outta diapers, you ain't gonna have shit to worry about
from those assholes in Israel and Aram."

And it came true. Not long after that, Assyria invaded Israel and
Aram without Ahaz even asking them for help.

And the kid was named Immanuel, which means "God is with us", not
"God with us" as the lying christers translated it. That is, God was
with the Judeans and rescued them from Israel and Aram.

And Luke 4?? You're stretching the crap out of it. Read the previous
two temptations. Jesus references God in his responses without giving
any indication he thought it was him. To claim that's what he meant
in his response to the third temptation is ludicrous.

And the other verses you cited call Jesus the son (capital not in
original) of God, not God. Yes, of course the synoptic authors "knew"
he was the son of God. And exactly when he became God's son is
another interesting story.

It went through an evolution, and we have scriptural references for
each stage. Initially, Jesus became God's son at his resurrection.
Then it was at his baptism. Then later it was his conception. Then
he'd existed as God's son before he was born. And finally, he became
God himself. The synoptics were written after the first step had
passed to the second, but the authors still reference the first in
some verses. Off the top of my head, I can think of one in Acts, but
there are others.

Dr. Who

2023-01-03 01:00:51 UTC

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though,

apparently

Post by Ted
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Matthew
Mat 1:23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth

a son,

Post by Ted
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted

is,God withus.

Post by Ted
Mat 8:29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do

with thee,

Post by Ted
Jesus, thou Son ofGod? art thou come hither to tormentus before the

time?

Post by Ted
Mat 26:63-64 (KJV)
63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said

unto him,

Post by Ted
I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be

the

Post by Ted
Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto

you,

Post by Ted
Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of

power, and

Post by Ted
coming in the clouds of heaven.
Just a taste of the numerous references to Jesus as God.
Mark
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;” (Mar

1:1,

Post by Ted
KJV)
“And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with

thee, Jesus,

Post by Ted
thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou

torment me

Post by Ted
not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean

spirit.” (Mar

Post by Ted
5:7-8, KJV)
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied

of you

Post by Ted
hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their

lips, but

Post by Ted
their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines

the

Post by Ted
commandments of men.
Jesus speaking of himself, as Godm reported my Mark.
Luke
Luk 4:9-12 (KJV)
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the

temple,

Post by Ted
and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to

keep

Post by Ted
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time

thou dash thy

Post by Ted
foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not

tempt the

Post by Ted
Lord thy God.
Satan thought because Jesus had set aside his Glory in heaven, to

become a

Post by Ted
man such as us, that he was therefore as weak as man who had a

sinful nature,

Post by Ted
could then tempt Jesus in his weakened state. Jesus did not yield

in any

Post by Ted
manner, and flat out told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord THY

God".

Post by Ted
I see no reason to add more verses of these men recognizing that

Jesus was

Post by Ted
God, as these are more than enough. And I would bet that you knew

of all of

Post by Ted
these verses before you even posted this thread.
Mary never could do anything for you, or help you in any way. She

was not

Post by Ted
authorized to do so.
Regarding the cross.
In the Old Testament there was a plague of snakes to kill thousands

Post by Ted
Israelis, There as a stake lifted up with a brass snake upon it and

they were

Post by Ted
told if they looked upon that snake, they would be healed.

Afterwards, they

Post by Ted
kept the snake for remembrance sake, but it turned into an object

of worship,

Post by Ted
an Idol which man worshipped. Yet it had no power, but the Jews did

not care.

Post by Ted
Finally a wise king destroyed the artifact as it took the minds of

people off

Post by Ted
God and the Idol became god to them.
Jesus referred to that object of deliverance, and said so shall the

son of

Post by Ted
Man be lifted up,...
Joh 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so

must the Son

Post by Ted
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have

eternal life.

Post by Ted
Many churches have the cross with Jesus on it, who worship it in

the same

Post by Ted
manner of idolatry. Yet it will not scare away zombies, Dracula,

the undead,

Post by Ted
any more than that brass snake could. It, like the cross was a sign

for the

Post by Ted
time of deliverance. Neither object has any power. Yet many lose

what little

Post by Ted
faith in God they had, when they tightly hold the cross, gave the

sign of the

Post by Ted
cross or prayed to it, only to see nothing
change for the better.

Beautiful, Robert. You've thrown every insubstantial straw you could
think of. Matthew 1:23 is one of my favorites, as he's citing one of
Isaiah's prophecies and claiming it predicts Jesus. My guess is that
you know the prophecy, but just in case you don't, here's what
Ahaz: "OMG, those fuckers in Israel and Aram are gonna gang up on my
ass! I need to ask the Assyrian emperor for help!"
Isaiah: "Nah, you don't need to ask him for nuthin. Listen, King, a
young woman (NOT virgin) is gonna birth a kid and before that little
fucker is outta diapers, you ain't gonna have shit to worry about
from those assholes in Israel and Aram."
And it came true. Not long after that, Assyria invaded Israel and
Aram without Ahaz even asking them for help.
And the kid was named Immanuel, which means "God is with us", not
"God with us" as the lying christers translated it. That is, God was
with the Judeans and rescued them from Israel and Aram.
And Luke 4?? You're stretching the crap out of it. Read the previous
two temptations. Jesus references God in his responses without giving
any indication he thought it was him. To claim that's what he meant
in his response to the third temptation is ludicrous.
And the other verses you cited call Jesus the son (capital not in
original) of God, not God. Yes, of course the synoptic authors "knew"
he was the son of God. And exactly when he became God's son is
another interesting story.
It went through an evolution, and we have scriptural references for
each stage. Initially, Jesus became God's son at his resurrection.
Then it was at his baptism. Then later it was his conception. Then
he'd existed as God's son before he was born. And finally, he became
God himself. The synoptics were written after the first step had
passed to the second, but the authors still reference the first in
some verses. Off the top of my head, I can think of one in Acts, but
there are others.

Replied to you in the thread you copied this reply of yours too. "When did
Jesus become the Son of God"

z***@windstream.net

2023-01-05 17:49:36 UTC

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 13:04:36 -0500, Ted <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Happy Go Lucky Morning,

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though, apparently
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Yes, the mistranslation at John 1:1 has misled a lot of people, and
gave rocket fuel to the many preachers and priests. Here is what I am
talking about:

-- King James
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

There, it's in the Bible. Cut and dry, right?

WRONG!, WRONG!, AND WRONG!

The translators didn't follow a basic rule in Greek there. A footnote
in the Catholic Bible tells what that rule is (which they didn't even
follow either ):

"Was God:lack of a definite article with "God" in Greek signifies
predication rather than identification".

In other words, the words "theos" (god) is found twice in that verse.
the first one has the word "the" before it, thus making it an
identification. (God) The second "theos" doesn't have it. Thus making
it a predication or description (god).

Thus that verse could read:

John 1 - James Moffatt - New Testament

"1 THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God,
the Logos was divine."

The Logos is the Word. And the word is "divine". NOT GOD. But rather,
"a god". Notice the NWT:

(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god.

Look these things up and verify them. You will then know more than the
churches about John 1:1. If John thought that Jesus was God, why did
he conclude with this: John 20:31,

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through
his name." (KJV)

Sincerely James
2023:A better year?
Go to jw.org

Ted

2023-01-06 01:59:14 UTC

Post by z***@windstream.net

Post by z***@windstream.net
Happy Go Lucky Morning,

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though,

apparently

Post by Ted
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Yes, the mistranslation at John 1:1 has misled a lot of people, and
gave rocket fuel to the many preachers and priests. Here is what I am
-- King James
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
There, it's in the Bible. Cut and dry, right?
WRONG!, WRONG!, AND WRONG!
The translators didn't follow a basic rule in Greek there. A

footnote

Post by z***@windstream.net
in the Catholic Bible tells what that rule is (which they didn't even
"Was God:lack of a definite article with "God" in Greek signifies
predication rather than identification".
In other words, the words "theos" (god) is found twice in that

verse.

Post by z***@windstream.net
the first one has the word "the" before it, thus making it an
identification. (God) The second "theos" doesn't have it. Thus

making

Post by z***@windstream.net
it a predication or description (god).
John 1 - James Moffatt - New Testament
"1 THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God,
the Logos was divine."
The Logos is the Word. And the word is "divine". NOT GOD. But

rather,

Post by z***@windstream.net
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god.
Look these things up and verify them. You will then know more than the
churches about John 1:1. If John thought that Jesus was God, why did
he conclude with this: John 20:31,
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life

through

Post by z***@windstream.net
his name." (KJV)
Sincerely James
2023:A better year?
Go to jw.org

Yes, John 1:1 is a deliberately deceptive mistranslation, much like
the claim that Immanuel means "God with us". There are dozens of
such.

But that isn't the only verse in the gospel of John that's
inconvenient for you JWs, as there are others too where Jesus appears
to be proclaiming himself God. That's because the gospel of John is
an integration of the documents about Jesus circulating among the
Johannine communities around the turn of the first century, so you'll
find a range of opinion in it. Even bits of Gnostic heresy made it
past the Orthodox censors. (Like John 1:18.)

Dr. Who

2023-01-06 04:51:48 UTC

Post by z***@windstream.net

Post by z***@windstream.net
Happy Go Lucky Morning,

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though,

apparently

Post by Ted
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Yes, the mistranslation at John 1:1 has misled a lot of people, and
gave rocket fuel to the many preachers and priests. Here is what I

Post by z***@windstream.net
-- King James
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
There, it's in the Bible. Cut and dry, right?
WRONG!, WRONG!, AND WRONG!
The translators didn't follow a basic rule in Greek there. A

footnote

Post by z***@windstream.net
in the Catholic Bible tells what that rule is (which they didn't

even

Post by z***@windstream.net
"Was God:lack of a definite article with "God" in Greek signifies
predication rather than identification".
In other words, the words "theos" (god) is found twice in that

verse.

Post by z***@windstream.net
the first one has the word "the" before it, thus making it an
identification. (God) The second "theos" doesn't have it. Thus

making

rather,

Post by z***@windstream.net
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god.
Look these things up and verify them. You will then know more than

the

Post by z***@windstream.net
churches about John 1:1. If John thought that Jesus was God, why did
he conclude with this: John 20:31,
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life

through

Post by z***@windstream.net
his name." (KJV)
Sincerely James
2023:A better year?
Go to jw.org

Yes, John 1:1 is a deliberately deceptive mistranslation, much like
the claim that Immanuel means "God with us". There are dozens of
such.

Fulfillment of the prophecy below

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and
they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23, KJV)

The prophesy which spoke of the above.

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall
conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isa 7:14,
KJV)

Post by Ted
But that isn't the only verse in the gospel of John that's
inconvenient for you JWs, as there are others too where Jesus appears
to be proclaiming himself God. That's because the gospel of John is
an integration of the documents about Jesus circulating among the
Johannine communities around the turn of the first century, so you'll
find a range of opinion in it. Even bits of Gnostic heresy made it
past the Orthodox censors. (Like John 1:18.)

Joh 1:9-14 (KJV)

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him
not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of
God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the
will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This is all about the Word, on the first verse.

It is spiritually discerned

Jesus had no magic wand he did the work of the Heavenly Father, and so he
healed all that came to him. Working Miracles.

Why non believers do not recognize Christ.

“All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the
Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom
the Son will reveal him.” (Luk 10:22, KJV)

“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that
acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” (1Jn 2:23, KJV)

Denieth the Son means the divinity and deity of Him. Which the heathen do as
well as the JW who has a pretense of godliness.

Ted

2023-01-06 09:21:17 UTC

Post by z***@windstream.net

Post by z***@windstream.net
Happy Go Lucky Morning,

Post by Ted
Mark, Matthew, and Luke are all silent about it, though,

apparently

Post by Ted
deeming that fact not sufficiently important to mention.

Yes, the mistranslation at John 1:1 has misled a lot of people, and
gave rocket fuel to the many preachers and priests. Here is what I

footnote

Post by z***@windstream.net
in the Catholic Bible tells what that rule is (which they didn't

even

Post by z***@windstream.net
"Was God:lack of a definite article with "God" in Greek

signifies

Post by z***@windstream.net
predication rather than identification".
In other words, the words "theos" (god) is found twice in that

verse.

Post by z***@windstream.net
the first one has the word "the" before it, thus making it an
identification. (God) The second "theos" doesn't have it. Thus

making

rather,

Post by z***@windstream.net
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god.
Look these things up and verify them. You will then know more than

the

through

Post by z***@windstream.net
his name." (KJV)
Sincerely James
2023:A better year?
Go to jw.org

Yes, John 1:1 is a deliberately deceptive mistranslation, much like
the claim that Immanuel means "God with us". There are dozens of
such.

Fulfillment of the prophecy below
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and
they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23, KJV)
The prophesy which spoke of the above.
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall
conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isa 7:14,
KJV)

Joh 1:9-14 (KJV)
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the

world knew him

Post by Dr. Who
not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the
will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
This is all about the Word, on the first verse.
It is spiritually discerned
Jesus had no magic wand he did the work of the Heavenly Father, and so he
healed all that came to him. Working Miracles.
Why non believers do not recognize Christ.
“All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the
Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom
the Son will reveal him.” (Luk 10:22, KJV)
“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that
acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” (1Jn 2:23, KJV)
Denieth the Son means the divinity and deity of Him. Which the

heathen do as

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well as the JW who has a pretense of
godliness.

Like all fundies, the JWs have such little respect for the Bible that
they don't mind hammering its inconveniently square pegs into the
round holes they've drilled. Yes, the gospel of John does make the
claim that Jesus is God, despite the fact that verse 1:1 doesn't
really say so directly. (The more orthodox lying fundies only claim
it does.)

Dr. Who

2023-01-06 18:15:15 UTC

Like all fundies, the JWs have such little respect for the Bible that they
don't mind hammering its inconveniently square pegs into the round holes
they've drilled. Yes, the gospel of John does make the claim that Jesus is
God, despite the fact that verse 1:1 doesn't really say so directly. (The
more orthodox lying fundies only claim it does.)

The are not fundies, in fact they are not even christian. They assumed that
name in order to try and fit in with other christian religions. Like the
Mormons, they are a false religion.

J 1:1 May mean very little to those that are not believers, and especially to
those who are not aware of that understanding from the Old Testament

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
(Joh 1:14, KJV)

“And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it
together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.” (Isa 40:5, KJV)

What was spoken? The Word of the Heavenly Father.

Ted

2023-01-07 01:11:46 UTC

Like all fundies, the JWs have such little respect for the Bible that they
don't mind hammering its inconveniently square pegs into the

round holes

they've drilled. Yes, the gospel of John does make the claim that Jesus is
God, despite the fact that verse 1:1 doesn't really say so

directly. (The

more orthodox lying fundies only claim it does.)

The are not fundies, in fact they are not even christian. They

assumed that

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name in order to try and fit in with other
christian religions.

LOL. Not a chance. The JWs have no desire to fit in. All christers
who disagree with them will be destroyed at Armageddon and they'll
inherit the new Earth to live on forever.

Post by Dr. Who
Like the Mormons, they are a false religion.
J 1:1 May mean very little to those that are not believers, and especially to
those who are not aware of that understanding from the Old Testament
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
(Joh 1:14, KJV)
“And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it
together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.” (Isa 40:5, KJV
What was spoken? The Word of the
Heavenly Father.

unknown

2023-01-06 16:32:23 UTC

The jw vatican will tell you that John 1:1 "Word was God" is a bad greek
translation. For them Christ is really the recycled archangel Michael, I
know, I know; it's a long story .

Here is the core of the problem, the jw vatican has *zero* scholars of
biblical languages and ancient history. So they claim to use real greek
scholars for the John of translation. But wait, there is a huge problem
with their use, really misuse of greek scholrs to invent lies to support
their newly invented "theories of scripture":

Jehovah's Witnesses misquote Greek scholars | The Believers Web

https://believersweb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-misquote-greek-scholars/

Ted

2023-01-07 18:43:21 UTC