Who is the God of Jesus the Messiah

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Dr. Who

2022-11-14 05:23:23 UTC

Jesus spoke plainly when he said,...

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Here we see again the reference to the Father of Jesus being his God.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath
blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Here we see that the Father or Jesus is the giver of the spirit and wisdom as
well as the revelation of Who Jesus is to man.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give
unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

And the verse that James the JW brings up all the time, yet has no
understanding of,...

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and
the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Yes, the Father God is the head of Jesus.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Yet all of the Godhead are it total Unity and ALL follow God the Father.

This is a good reason for reading and studying the Word of God and pondering
it before the Lord. Those who do not often make be mistakes like touting the
Jesus is his own Father.

z***@windstream.net

2022-11-14 12:30:06 UTC

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Good Morning Bible reader,

When Paul made that statement, Jesus was in Heaven with his Father.
Christendom believes Jesus was God. (and indeed there is a bad
translation at John 1:1 that says so) But even in Heaven, Jesus is
inferior to God.

Yes, the Father of Jesus is Jehovah.

Sincerely James
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Post by Dr. Who
Yes, the Father God is the head of Jesus.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Yet all of the Godhead are it total Unity and ALL follow God the Father.
This is a good reason for reading and studying the Word of God and pondering
it before the Lord. Those who do not often make be mistakes like touting the
Jesus is his own Father.

Dr. Who

2022-11-14 17:10:17 UTC

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Post by z***@windstream.net

Good Morning Bible reader,
When Paul made that statement, Jesus was in Heaven with his Father.
Christendom believes Jesus was God. (and indeed there is a bad
translation at John 1:1 that says so) But even in Heaven, Jesus is
inferior to God.
Yes, the Father of Jesus is Jehovah.

Jesus is Jehovah
Jesus is not inferior to his Father
The Godhead consists of God the Father, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus made his statement to Mary right after he was risen from the dead. I
did not include any OT quotes on this subject.

Jesus is God, he came from eternity past. Which I know you have heard and
read about from the Bible because I purposely pointed the scriptures out to
you several times in the past. This is why Jesus was both God and Man. Mary
was mother of the man portion of him

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Sincerely James

Michael McLean

2022-11-14 21:18:38 UTC

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Post by z***@windstream.net

Good Morning Bible reader,
When Paul made that statement, Jesus was in Heaven with his Father.
Christendom believes Jesus was God. (and indeed there is a bad
translation at John 1:1 that says so) But even in Heaven, Jesus is
inferior to God.
Yes, the Father of Jesus is Jehovah.

And if His Father be God, so is He...they are One.

There is no above and below in heaven; that is a fallen man ego sinner
concept.

For example, "I am better than you." Oh, those prostitutes, thieves and
homosexuals, a JW is a far better, more holy sinner than those scum!

No, no one in heaven is better than what makes it heaven.

Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

Dr. Who

2022-11-14 22:09:58 UTC

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Post by Michael McLean

Post by z***@windstream.net

Good Morning Bible reader,
When Paul made that statement, Jesus was in Heaven with his Father.
Christendom believes Jesus was God. (and indeed there is a bad
translation at John 1:1 that says so) But even in Heaven, Jesus is
inferior to God.
Yes, the Father of Jesus is Jehovah.

The father of Jesus is not Jehovah, Jesus is.
The father of Jesus is not the Heavenly Father.
Jesus is not the Father.
Jesus is one with the Father.

That is the truth spelled out in scriptures.
You can have your own "truth" yet it will not stand if it is not in
accordance with the Word of God, then it is of the antichrist.

So yes, you can have your own way, until you die.

Michael McLean

2022-11-15 00:46:23 UTC

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You already have it your way. Bon appetite.

But nothing I would ever eat.

Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

unknown

2022-11-14 14:55:14 UTC

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John has the answer at the very beginning of his gospel.

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Yes, Christ,ie. the Word, who became flesh, incarnate, was; "Word was God".

Christ 3 times in John says He is God and lays out the relationship of
God the father and God the son. "If you seeme you see the father, the
father and I are one, I am; the name of God given Moses. .
There is
no room there for some wof gurus who say Christ was not divine in Mary's
womb, He only became divine at a later point - at baptism or death on the
cross or after being "born again" in hell and rising from the tomb.

Post by Dr. Who
Jesus spoke plainly when he said,...
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Here we see again the reference to the Father of Jesus being his God.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath
Here we see that the Father or Jesus is the giver of the spirit and wisdom as
well as the revelation of Who Jesus is to man.
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give
And the verse that James the JW brings up all the time, yet has no
understanding of,...
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and
the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Yes, the Father God is the head of Jesus.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Yet all of the Godhead are it total Unity and ALL follow God the Father.
This is a good reason for reading and studying the Word of God and pondering
it before the Lord. Those who do not often make be mistakes like touting the
Jesus is his own Father.

Dr. Who

2022-11-14 17:23:34 UTC

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Post by unknown
John has the answer at the very beginning of his gospel.
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Yes, Christ,ie. the Word, who became flesh, incarnate, was; "Word was God".
Christ 3 times in John says He is God and lays out the relationship of
God the father and God the son. "If you seeme you see the father, the
father and I are one, I am; the name of God given Moses. .
There is
no room there for some wof gurus who say Christ was not divine in Mary's
womb, He only became divine at a later point - at baptism or death on the
cross or after being "born again" in hell and rising from the tomb.

You poor, poor, woman. I haven't any idea why you had to bring your guru
friends into this, but I have not heard of such a thing from any one of your
friends in that arena. Jesus is God, came from eternity past into this world
via conception, not incarnation. It is described in the NT. He took on flesh,
his tent/tabernacle in which he dwelt. Read the NT and you will see this.
Well, maybe you won't, but nonetheless it is stated clearly with those words.

The Godhead is one, unified. The same as all the born again ones are one, and
one with Jesus. Which Jesus describes in the Gospels.

Why you persist in making things up is beyond me.

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unknown

2022-11-14 23:31:15 UTC

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Post by Dr. Who

On his back foot our resident wof guru groupie tries: >

Post by Dr. Who
I haven't any idea why you had to bring your guru
friends into this, but I have not heard of such a thing from any one of your
friends in that arena.

Smile, good try; no cigar in sight for he who spouts wof guru nonsense all
the time. and projects his failures onto others. The above ideas some wof
gurus spout as to God/Christ and His divinity has been shared by our
resident wof guru groupie. In fact in his lone ranger quest to have
Christ/God his way he has tried on for some of the very ideas above. For
example, a simple question if Christ was divine in Mary's womb or became so
later got a great word dance.

Now, great news, the constant correction to lone ranger/wof guru ideas
about Trinity/godhead and related has born fruit and has been corrected it

Post by Dr. Who
Jesus is God, came

from eternity past into this world

Post by Dr. Who
via conception, not incarnation. It is described in the NT. He took on flesh,
his tent/tabernacle in which he dwelt.

Indeed, the incarnation,ie. taking on flesh as a child in Mary's womb is
standard christian doctrine for these 2000 years. The greek root for flesh
is a form of ""Sarkos" which in latin forms the root of "incarnate",ie.
flesh."

Post by Dr. Who
The Godhead is one, unified. The same as all the born again ones are one, and
one with Jesus. Which Jesus describes in the Gospels.

And the church affirms exactly that in the nicene creed, one God; three
persons of the godhead.

Dr. Who

2022-11-15 03:11:15 UTC

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Who is the God of Jesus the Messiah
servant
November 14, 2022 at 3:31:15 PM PST

On his back foot our resident wof guru groupie tries:>

Nice thing about you starting right off with a lie, and false accusations, is
that I know whatever you said won't get any better.