Discussion:
Why are all men born/brought into existence/created/formed sinners?
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Michael Christ
2023-12-08 09:24:41 UTC
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We were all born with a fallen nature; the root cause of all that is
wrong with the world stems from that; you can't fix it!  However, God is
God, and He knew what He was and is doing, and it is never anything
other than good, even when you read this kind of bible verse...

Isaiah 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

And if you don't believe that is good; too bad, come back to me when you
know everything.

Right, so why are all men born sinners?  Because we were all born NOT
loving God with all our hearts, souls, and minds. God purposed that, but
He had a perfect plan.  I know, to the wonder boys and girls who love
themselves so much, not loving God with all you are—meh, not such a
problem; you're wrong, very, very wrong!

And all I can say from here is the obvious that anyone can understand:
love is not love unless you choose to love.



Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
James
2023-12-21 01:08:01 UTC
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 20:24:41 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
We were all born with a fallen nature; the root cause of all that is
wrong with the world stems from that; you can't fix it!  However, God is
God, and He knew what He was and is doing, and it is never anything
other than good, even when you read this kind of bible verse...
Isaiah 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
And if you don't believe that is good; too bad, come back to me when you
know everything.
Can evil ever be good? Not according to its definition :

"e·vil
/'ev(?)l/
adjective
adjective: evil

profoundly immoral and wicked.
"his evil deeds"
(https://www.google.com/search?q=define+evil#ip=1)

So then, what does it mean when God says He 'creates evil'?

He means that it appears that way to the person getting punished for
wrongdoing.

Yes, when the God of the Bible administers justice, it certainly
appears 'evil' to the one's receiving that justice, but in reality is
it is right and proper. As Moses wrote at De 32:4 concerning God,

"The Rock, perfect is his activity,
For all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice;
Righteous and upright is he."
Post by Michael Christ
Right, so why are all men born sinners?  Because we were all born NOT
loving God with all our hearts, souls, and minds. God purposed that,
Well, consider this. Adam was created perfect. (Deut 32:4) But when he
disobeyed God, he became imperfect and sinful. All mankind came from
the fallen Adam and Eve, thus we were born imperfect. (Job 14:4)

And the Bible shows that imperfection IS SIN. Ps 51:5,

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother
conceived me. " (NIV)

That Scripture tells us that a new born baby is sinful. Did that baby
break any of God's laws? Of course not. But it is considered sinful
because it is born imperfect.
Post by Michael Christ
but
He had a perfect plan.  I know, to the wonder boys and girls who love
themselves so much, not loving God with all you are—meh, not such a
problem; you're wrong, very, very wrong!
love is not love unless you choose to love.
Better than that:

-- Revised Standard
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God; for God is love.


Sincerely James,
Why are JW's so
against Christmas?
Go to jw.org
12/20/23
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
2023-12-21 07:42:42 UTC
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Post by James
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 20:24:41 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
We were all born with a fallen nature; the root cause of all that is
wrong with the world stems from that; you can't fix it!  However, God is
God, and He knew what He was and is doing, and it is never anything
other than good, even when you read this kind of bible verse...
Isaiah 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
And if you don't believe that is good; too bad, come back to me when you
know everything.
"e·vil
/'ev(?)l/
adjective
adjective: evil
profoundly immoral and wicked.
"his evil deeds"
(https://www.google.com/search?q=define+evil#ip=1)
So then, what does it mean when God says He 'creates evil'?
He means that it appears that way to the person getting punished for
wrongdoing.
Yes, when the God of the Bible administers justice, it certainly
appears 'evil' to the one's receiving that justice, but in reality is
it is right and proper. As Moses wrote at De 32:4 concerning God,
"The Rock, perfect is his activity,
For all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice;
Righteous and upright is he."
Post by Michael Christ
Right, so why are all men born sinners?  Because we were all born NOT
loving God with all our hearts, souls, and minds. God purposed that,
Well, consider this. Adam was created perfect. (Deut 32:4) But when he
disobeyed God, he became imperfect and sinful. All mankind came from
the fallen Adam and Eve, thus we were born imperfect. (Job 14:4)
And the Bible shows that imperfection IS SIN. Ps 51:5,
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother
conceived me. " (NIV)
That Scripture tells us that a new born baby is sinful. Did that baby
break any of God's laws? Of course not. But it is considered sinful
because it is born imperfect.
Post by Michael Christ
but
He had a perfect plan.  I know, to the wonder boys and girls who love
themselves so much, not loving God with all you are—meh, not such a
problem; you're wrong, very, very wrong!
love is not love unless you choose to love.
-- Revised Standard
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God; for God is love.
Sincerely James,
Why are JW's so
against Christmas?
Go to jw.org
12/20/23
They never affected the apostle Paul, who
couldn't stop sinning. (Rom 7:19)
If the apostle Paul spent his life sinning and couldn't stop, how much
more can't you?  Sheesh!  You must be equal to Satan herself!!

Thusfortheth, I cannot take your religious and bible advice and opinions
in your sinning ways, James.

Is that alright?

You are always diverting in your sin, Jim!  I was hoping nonetheless
that you would try to answer my questions.  Anyone would think you are a
sinner who has something to hide? I refuse to believe that! Despite my
concern about your claim of being a constant sinner that does not lie,
can you at least try to answer the questions in the name of the Kingdom
Hall of the JWs?

1) Who does a sinner love, Jim?

2) Also, tell me, is this verse true?

Rom_11:36  For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to
whom be glory for ever. Amen.

3) And, is there another God?

Can you get around to girding your "I do not lie" loins to answer at
least just one question I ask you?

Thanks in advance.



Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
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