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Can God create a rock He cannot lift?
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Michael McLean
2022-10-08 02:48:56 UTC
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That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!

My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!

Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!

Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??






Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
z***@windstream.net
2022-10-08 18:46:56 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
instance, God "cannot" lie:

-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,

In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.

As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
really two questions linked together:

Can God make a heavy rock?

and

Can God lift a heavy rock?

The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)

A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
would be:

Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".

So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)

Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
Ted
2022-10-08 19:35:00 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie,
promised
Post by z***@windstream.net
before time began,
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the
wording
Post by z***@windstream.net
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Thanks James.
z***@windstream.net
2022-10-09 14:45:28 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to
try
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't.
For
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie,
promised
Post by z***@windstream.net
before time began,
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the
wording
Post by z***@windstream.net
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We
are
Post by z***@windstream.net
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw
you
Post by z***@windstream.net
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives
up
Post by z***@windstream.net
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Thanks James.
I hope it helped.

Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Michael McLean
2022-10-08 20:43:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.

It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!

And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!

You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person, in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.

There is enough of those types already floating around in here!





Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
z***@windstream.net
2022-10-09 17:30:25 UTC
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 07:43:48 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).

Strong's Concordance says:

"Strong's Ref. # 893

Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'

from GSN0001 (as a negative particle) and GSN5579; veracious:

KJV--that cannot lie."

Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
Other references say:

"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."

Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.

I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
that lends itself to that extreme? Here is some who say "cannot":

KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.

Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).

Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.

Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
Michael McLean
2022-10-09 22:56:21 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 07:43:48 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.

There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?

Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].

It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.

You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).

Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.

His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.

God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.

Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.

I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.

There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.

The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.

Again...

Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].


Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.

Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!



However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.

If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!







Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
z***@windstream.net
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Post by Michael McLean
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Post by Michael McLean
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Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.
There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?
Most of those translations have Greek scholars for translating. By
looking at them all, we sometimes can get a 'flavor' of a particular
Greek word. Yet it is true they could all be wrong.

But there is a supporting Scripture for Titus 1:2, God "cannot lie":

-- New King James
Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for
refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. [ALL CAPS MINE]
Post by Michael McLean
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.
So, if God does it, it cannot be something bad? Looks like we are
getting philosophical here. But it does appear that would be true; if
God does it, it is good.

But when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak. Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)

Yet some other translation verses seem to support "cannot" such as:

-- Living Bible
Psalms 89:35 For I have sworn to David (and a holy God can never
lie), that his dynasty will go on forever, and his throne will
continue to the end of time.

-- New Living Translation
Psalms 89:35
I have sworn an oath to David,
Post by Michael McLean
You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.
Yes, there was some lies said by faithful servants of God, but I
haven't seen where God openly approved of their lies. I don't think
there is such a thing as a 'righteous lie'.

There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
Post by Michael McLean
I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.
There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.
Human law yes. But not God's law:

- New King James
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the
old man with his deeds,

-King James
Proverbs 6:16-19 16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven
are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren.

Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Post by Michael McLean
The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.
Again...
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.
Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!
However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
I don't recollect writing that. That doesn't sound like something I
would write. I'm not even sure what it means.
Post by Michael McLean
No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous', that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.

The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)

Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
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Post by Michael McLean
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 07:43:48 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.
There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?
Most of those translations have Greek scholars for translating. By
looking at them all, we sometimes can get a 'flavor' of a particular
Greek word. Yet it is true they could all be wrong.
-- New King James
Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for
refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. [ALL CAPS MINE]
Post by Michael McLean
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.
So, if God does it, it cannot be something bad?
That's right. I told you, you have to know God, all you have is your
perceptions of God that you extract according to your own understanding
of the Bible.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Looks like we are
getting philosophical here. But it does appear that would be true; if
God does it, it is good.
Of course it is!!! If you know God, no matter what happens, it is good.

He is God and there is none other, and He is good.

You can call it philosophy if you like; I call it knowing Him.
Post by z***@windstream.net
But when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak.
God's universe is not upset, it is perfect and in order according to His
perfect will. Unless, there is another God opposing Him?

You have to know Him.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)
Satan cannot stop God's plans for a millisecond in a trillion years!

God is God, and there is none like Him.

You have to know Him.
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- Living Bible
Psalms 89:35 For I have sworn to David (and a holy God can never
lie), that his dynasty will go on forever, and his throne will
continue to the end of time.
-- New Living Translation
Psalms 89:35
I have sworn an oath to David,
You see through a glass darkly only, and so does the "sinner"
translators. You didn't answer the question? "Why do you
need so many translations? Does that indeed register?"

You have to know Him.

He created the lie, and in Him is all truth and all good. God is God.

You have to know Him.

His ways are NOT your ways, His thoughts are NOT your thoughts.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.
Yes, there was some lies said by faithful servants of God, but I
haven't seen where God openly approved of their lies. I don't think
there is such a thing as a 'righteous lie'.
Well, there is, and that makes it a higher truth, and you have been
given examples you can understand.

You have to know Him.
Post by z***@windstream.net
There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
That is still a lie of the heart! He is not blinded by fancy footwork!
He is pure, your ways are not. You have to know Him.

Unfortunately above, that is your self-righteousness seeping out of the
sewer, James.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.
There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.
Loving your neighbour as thyself is not a human law.

You are not getting it.

All God does is perfect, and true, and good, even a lie, even murder,
even adultery, even theft, death, misery, chaos, cancer, and so on.
Everything comes from Him.

You have to know Him.

You should have seen that with your heart above (e.g. with the Nazis)
but you chose head! And you can't know God with the head, it must be
with the heart.

You have to know Him.
Post by z***@windstream.net
- New King James
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the
old man with his deeds,
-King James
Proverbs 6:16-19 16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren.
Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Those standards above are according to His standards, not your sinner
standards, perceptions, paradigm, religious purview, and so on. For
instance, this is a lie from a liar...
Post by z***@windstream.net
There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
...and in your religious world, you take it as truth!

There is no way around a lie!!!

For the record, you have just described a sinner above. But we know,
you appear to think you are a better quality of sinner that believes you
can judge those things in 'white as snow' fashion.

You know not what you are James.

You have to know God, not your Bible humanistic opinions, otherwise you
are a ship on the ocean without a rudder and blown whatever way your
sinner thoughts and ways care to take you.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.
Again...
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.
Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!
However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
I did. Repentance is only once, if it is wholehearted.

You and your glass darkly Bible interpretations as a sinner are not the
judge of who is what, James. The Lord is judge.

You have to know God to know His ways; be in a relationship. He is not
a Bible, and you cannot know what the light of the Word is saying, in
the moment, if you do not know Him personally in the Spirit of Truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
I don't recollect writing that. That doesn't sound like something I
would write. I'm not even sure what it means.
I don't lie quote.

Perhaps your sinful state blinds you in some way, by some miracle! :-).

In the thread "Will JW James be a man?" on the 10/09/22, 10:48 (Aussie
date and time), at the end of your post.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous',
There you go, you are just redefining what I quoted of you above.

God does want us to 'try to be righteous'. I'll keep that quote so you
can deny that too later! :-).

You can't justify yourself, and trying to be righteous is an
abomination!!! How has it gone for you so far? Isn't it obvious? And
you say what you say because of self-righteousness, pride, and self-worship.

You have to know God, then that won't be a problem.
Post by z***@windstream.net
that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
If Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient, then no one is saved or will
ever be saved.

But just listen to the ineptitude and the salaciousness of your speech!
You are even casting doubt on the works of God!
Post by z***@windstream.net
The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
All righteousness is OF God, not man.

A sinner trying to be righteous and believing he can justify himself
before the Lord is a filthy and repulsive and vile thing.

You have to know God.

I asked you nicely to stop wasting my time (with your own) trying to be
righteous!

You have to know God; Bible a al any denominational religion is nowhere
near enough.

Every man must come to God, one on one, as a little child believing in
Him without the doctrines of sinners, and without the translation of man.






Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by z***@windstream.net
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
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That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
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They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.
There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
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Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?
Most of those translations have Greek scholars for translating. By
looking at them all, we sometimes can get a 'flavor' of a particular
Greek word. Yet it is true they could all be wrong.
-- New King James
Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for
refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. [ALL CAPS MINE]
Post by Michael McLean
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.
So, if God does it, it cannot be something bad?
That's right. I told you, you have to know God, all you have is your
perceptions of God that you extract according to your own understanding
of the Bible.
I do a lot of research, both with JW literature, and outside of the
organization.

Then how do you get your perceptions of God?
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Looks like we are
getting philosophical here. But it does appear that would be true; if
God does it, it is good.
Of course it is!!! If you know God, no matter what happens, it is good.
He is God and there is none other, and He is good.
You can call it philosophy if you like; I call it knowing Him.
Just learning about God is not philosophy.
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But when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak.
God's universe is not upset, it is perfect and in order according to His
perfect will. Unless, there is another God opposing Him?
Satan threw a monkey wrench into God's plans for humans right then.
Concerning the universe, I didn't mean it literally. I said "so to
speak".
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
You not only have to know God, but know about Him accurately. For
example, many churches believe God is 3 persons, thus a Trinity. Those
folks do not REALLY know God because the Bible says otherwise:

(Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

(Mark 12:29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah
our God is one Jehovah,

(Mark 12:32) The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line
with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;

(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from
whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
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Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)
Satan cannot stop God's plans for a millisecond in a trillion years!
Read the accounts in Genesis. God had prepared the earth for the
arrival of humans. They were to be perfect, and to produce children
and live forever on a paradise earth. Satan TEMPORARILY stopped those
plans. But God ALWAYS gets His way!
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God is God, and there is none like Him.
You have to know Him.
I'll join you there.
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-- Living Bible
Psalms 89:35 For I have sworn to David (and a holy God can never
lie), that his dynasty will go on forever, and his throne will
continue to the end of time.
-- New Living Translation
Psalms 89:35
I have sworn an oath to David,
You see through a glass darkly only, and so does the "sinner"
translators. You didn't answer the question? "Why do you
need so many translations? Does that indeed register?"
I deal with church people all the time. So I try to make them
comfortable by discussing Scriptures from their own Bible
translations.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
He created the lie, and in Him is all truth and all good. God is God.
You have to know Him.
His ways are NOT your ways, His thoughts are NOT your thoughts.
The Bible says His thoughts are higher than ours. And that is so true.
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You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.
Yes, there was some lies said by faithful servants of God, but I
haven't seen where God openly approved of their lies. I don't think
there is such a thing as a 'righteous lie'.
Well, there is, and that makes it a higher truth, and you have been
given examples you can understand.
You have to know Him.
That's the whole point. I know that God hates lies. It's one of the 7
things God hates: Proverbs 6:16-19

"16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an
abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren."
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
That is still a lie of the heart! He is not blinded by fancy footwork!
He is pure, your ways are not. You have to know Him.
That is not a lie. She would have seen them running towards her
dwelling. 'Wherever they are at now you might be able to catch them'.
Sure she knew where they were, but she never said she didn't know, in
my example.
Post by Michael McLean
Unfortunately above, that is your self-righteousness seeping out of the
sewer, James.
I never claimed self-righteousness. As a matter of fact, the Bible
says to see others as superior to ourselves. The Bible says all men
sin. So we have no right to brag about anything. Most everything I say
comes from the Bible. So it is really God who is speaking when I quote
Him.
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I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.
There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.
Loving your neighbour as thyself is not a human law.
I never said it was.
Post by Michael McLean
You are not getting it.
All God does is perfect, and true, and good, even a lie, even murder,
even adultery, even theft, death, misery, chaos, cancer, and so on.
Everything comes from Him.
God does not lie or murder or be adulterous, or steal, or make people
miserable, or feed on chaos or give people diseases such as cancer,
etc. Don't you know that many things happen by random chance?

- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is
not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to
the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men
of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
I know that God only does righteous things. But I can see why you
think that way. If you are involved with the churches, you likely
believe your nameless God is a great Colonial Sanders, and fries the
wicked forever. (but they are not finger-licken good)
That would be a cruel God, one that I would never worship.

My God, Jehovah, is a kind God. One that will bring peace and harmony
to all lovers of God. Of course He is also a God of justice and will
get rid of those who hate God and their neighbors. Yet He won't fry
them alive, but will make them cease to exist. Check your Scriptures
and see if that is not so.
Post by Michael McLean
You should have seen that with your heart above (e.g. with the Nazis)
but you chose head! And you can't know God with the head, it must be
with the heart.
Well, at times we have to be careful about the heart. It can be
treacherous and mislead us. The Bible is there to guide us so that we
are not mislead by it.
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You have to know Him.
Been there, done that, and am doing that.
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- New King James
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the
old man with his deeds,
-King James
Proverbs 6:16-19 16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren.
Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Those standards above are according to His standards, not your sinner
standards, perceptions, paradigm, religious purview, and so on. For
instance, this is a lie from a liar...
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
...and in your religious world, you take it as truth!
There is no way around a lie!!!
Sure there is. You just have to be inventive.
Post by Michael McLean
For the record, you have just described a sinner above. But we know,
you appear to think you are a better quality of sinner that believes you
can judge those things in 'white as snow' fashion.
You know not what you are James.
I beg to differ. I just do the best I can with the Bible.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God, not your Bible humanistic opinions, otherwise you
are a ship on the ocean without a rudder and blown whatever way your
sinner thoughts and ways care to take you.
My boat has a large motor in the back. It can easily be steered.
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The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.
Again...
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.
Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!
However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
I did. Repentance is only once, if it is wholehearted.
Negatrons. That is not what Jesus said about salvation:

- New King James
Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Thus a person has to 'endure' this wicked world and constantly repent
until the end, since we all keep sinning with our imperfections.
Knowing God quite well does not guarantee a person salvation. Why?
Because the Devil knows God much more than any human, yet he will not
be saved.
Post by Michael McLean
You and your glass darkly Bible interpretations as a sinner are not the
judge of who is what, James. The Lord is judge.
I never claimed to be a judge of anyone. The Bible says we should not
judge each other:

“Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you
are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are
measuring out, they will measure out to you." (Mt 7:1,2)
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God to know His ways; be in a relationship. He is not
a Bible, and you cannot know what the light of the Word is saying, in
the moment, if you do not know Him personally in the Spirit of Truth.
Does God talk to you in your head? Since for most of us, all our
knowledge about God, comes from what He revealed about Himself
in His Holy Written Word, the Bible.
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
I don't recollect writing that. That doesn't sound like something I
would write. I'm not even sure what it means.
I don't lie quote.
Perhaps your sinful state blinds you in some way, by some miracle! :-).
In the thread "Will JW James be a man?" on the 10/09/22, 10:48 (Aussie
date and time), at the end of your post.
All I can find on 10/9 is my posting: !!! Hellfire !!! Slander to a
Loving God.

At any rate, just ignore it since I have no recollection of it. (I am
sure you already have)
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No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous',
There you go, you are just redefining what I quoted of you above.
God does want us to 'try to be righteous'. I'll keep that quote so you
can deny that too later! :-).
Then you think God wants us to 'try to be unrighteous'?
Post by Michael McLean
You can't justify yourself, and trying to be righteous is an
abomination!!! How has it gone for you so far? Isn't it obvious? And
you say what you say because of self-righteousness, pride, and self-worship.
And you are judging a person when Jesus said not to. (see above)
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You have to know God, then that won't be a problem.
I know Him better than you know.
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that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
If Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient, then no one is saved or will
ever be saved.
But just listen to the ineptitude and the salaciousness of your speech!
You are even casting doubt on the works of God!
Do you feel alright? Hopefully you are not coming down with something.
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The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
All righteousness is OF God, not man.
Isn't that what I said? We get what is righteous from God's word, the
Bible, not ourselves. But we do have a small sense of goodness in that
we are made in God's image and was given a conscience.
Post by Michael McLean
A sinner trying to be righteous and believing he can justify himself
before the Lord is a filthy and repulsive and vile thing.
Humans can't judge themselves because they can't read hearts, like God
and Jesus can.
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You have to know God.
I asked you nicely to stop wasting my time (with your own) trying to be
righteous!
Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree.
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You have to know God; Bible a al any denominational religion is nowhere
near enough.
Every man must come to God, one on one, as a little child believing in
Him without the doctrines of sinners, and without the translation of man.
Does God talk to you with an audible voice? That's the only way you
would get information about God that is not in the Bible.

For the rest of us poor slobs, we have to rely upon a highly accurate
Bible for our information.

Sincerely James
Who will rule God's Kingdom?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
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You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
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That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
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They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.
There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
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Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?
Most of those translations have Greek scholars for translating. By
looking at them all, we sometimes can get a 'flavor' of a particular
Greek word. Yet it is true they could all be wrong.
-- New King James
Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for
refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. [ALL CAPS MINE]
Post by Michael McLean
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.
So, if God does it, it cannot be something bad?
That's right. I told you, you have to know God, all you have is your
perceptions of God that you extract according to your own understanding
of the Bible.
I do a lot of research, both with JW literature, and outside of the
organization.
Then how do you get your perceptions of God?
Directly from Him, like any of those who love Him with all their heart,
soul, and mind.
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Looks like we are
getting philosophical here. But it does appear that would be true; if
God does it, it is good.
Of course it is!!! If you know God, no matter what happens, it is good.
He is God and there is none other, and He is good.
You can call it philosophy if you like; I call it knowing Him.
Just learning about God is not philosophy.
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But when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak.
God's universe is not upset, it is perfect and in order according to His
perfect will. Unless, there is another God opposing Him?
Satan threw a monkey wrench into God's plans for humans right then.
Concerning the universe, I didn't mean it literally. I said "so to
speak".
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
You not only have to know God, but know about Him accurately. For
example, many churches believe God is 3 persons, thus a Trinity. Those
(Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
(Mark 12:29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah
our God is one Jehovah,
(Mark 12:32) The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line
with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from
whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
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Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)
Satan cannot stop God's plans for a millisecond in a trillion years!
Read the accounts in Genesis. God had prepared the earth for the
arrival of humans. They were to be perfect, and to produce children
and live forever on a paradise earth. Satan TEMPORARILY stopped those
plans. But God ALWAYS gets His way!
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God is God, and there is none like Him.
You have to know Him.
I'll join you there.
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-- Living Bible
Psalms 89:35 For I have sworn to David (and a holy God can never
lie), that his dynasty will go on forever, and his throne will
continue to the end of time.
-- New Living Translation
Psalms 89:35
I have sworn an oath to David,
You see through a glass darkly only, and so does the "sinner"
translators. You didn't answer the question? "Why do you
need so many translations? Does that indeed register?"
I deal with church people all the time. So I try to make them
comfortable by discussing Scriptures from their own Bible
translations.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
He created the lie, and in Him is all truth and all good. God is God.
You have to know Him.
His ways are NOT your ways, His thoughts are NOT your thoughts.
The Bible says His thoughts are higher than ours. And that is so true.
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You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.
Yes, there was some lies said by faithful servants of God, but I
haven't seen where God openly approved of their lies. I don't think
there is such a thing as a 'righteous lie'.
Well, there is, and that makes it a higher truth, and you have been
given examples you can understand.
You have to know Him.
That's the whole point. I know that God hates lies. It's one of the 7
things God hates: Proverbs 6:16-19
"16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren."
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
That is still a lie of the heart! He is not blinded by fancy footwork!
He is pure, your ways are not. You have to know Him.
That is not a lie. She would have seen them running towards her
dwelling. 'Wherever they are at now you might be able to catch them'.
Sure she knew where they were, but she never said she didn't know, in
my example.
Post by Michael McLean
Unfortunately above, that is your self-righteousness seeping out of the
sewer, James.
I never claimed self-righteousness. As a matter of fact, the Bible
says to see others as superior to ourselves. The Bible says all men
sin. So we have no right to brag about anything. Most everything I say
comes from the Bible. So it is really God who is speaking when I quote
Him.
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I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.
There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.
Loving your neighbour as thyself is not a human law.
I never said it was.
Post by Michael McLean
You are not getting it.
All God does is perfect, and true, and good, even a lie, even murder,
even adultery, even theft, death, misery, chaos, cancer, and so on.
Everything comes from Him.
God does not lie or murder or be adulterous, or steal, or make people
miserable, or feed on chaos or give people diseases such as cancer,
etc. Don't you know that many things happen by random chance?
- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is
not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to
the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men
of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
I know that God only does righteous things. But I can see why you
think that way. If you are involved with the churches, you likely
believe your nameless God is a great Colonial Sanders, and fries the
wicked forever. (but they are not finger-licken good)
That would be a cruel God, one that I would never worship.
My God, Jehovah, is a kind God. One that will bring peace and harmony
to all lovers of God. Of course He is also a God of justice and will
get rid of those who hate God and their neighbors. Yet He won't fry
them alive, but will make them cease to exist. Check your Scriptures
and see if that is not so.
Post by Michael McLean
You should have seen that with your heart above (e.g. with the Nazis)
but you chose head! And you can't know God with the head, it must be
with the heart.
Well, at times we have to be careful about the heart. It can be
treacherous and mislead us. The Bible is there to guide us so that we
are not mislead by it.
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You have to know Him.
Been there, done that, and am doing that.
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- New King James
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the
old man with his deeds,
-King James
Proverbs 6:16-19 16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren.
Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Those standards above are according to His standards, not your sinner
standards, perceptions, paradigm, religious purview, and so on. For
instance, this is a lie from a liar...
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
...and in your religious world, you take it as truth!
There is no way around a lie!!!
Sure there is. You just have to be inventive.
And therein resides your heart.

Go and waste your time elsewhere.








Michael McLean
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For the record, you have just described a sinner above. But we know,
you appear to think you are a better quality of sinner that believes you
can judge those things in 'white as snow' fashion.
You know not what you are James.
I beg to differ. I just do the best I can with the Bible.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God, not your Bible humanistic opinions, otherwise you
are a ship on the ocean without a rudder and blown whatever way your
sinner thoughts and ways care to take you.
My boat has a large motor in the back. It can easily be steered.
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The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.
Again...
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.
Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!
However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
I did. Repentance is only once, if it is wholehearted.
- New King James
Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Thus a person has to 'endure' this wicked world and constantly repent
until the end, since we all keep sinning with our imperfections.
Knowing God quite well does not guarantee a person salvation. Why?
Because the Devil knows God much more than any human, yet he will not
be saved.
Post by Michael McLean
You and your glass darkly Bible interpretations as a sinner are not the
judge of who is what, James. The Lord is judge.
I never claimed to be a judge of anyone. The Bible says we should not
“Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you
are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are
measuring out, they will measure out to you." (Mt 7:1,2)
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God to know His ways; be in a relationship. He is not
a Bible, and you cannot know what the light of the Word is saying, in
the moment, if you do not know Him personally in the Spirit of Truth.
Does God talk to you in your head? Since for most of us, all our
knowledge about God, comes from what He revealed about Himself
in His Holy Written Word, the Bible.
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
I don't recollect writing that. That doesn't sound like something I
would write. I'm not even sure what it means.
I don't lie quote.
Perhaps your sinful state blinds you in some way, by some miracle! :-).
In the thread "Will JW James be a man?" on the 10/09/22, 10:48 (Aussie
date and time), at the end of your post.
All I can find on 10/9 is my posting: !!! Hellfire !!! Slander to a
Loving God.
At any rate, just ignore it since I have no recollection of it. (I am
sure you already have)
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No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous',
There you go, you are just redefining what I quoted of you above.
God does want us to 'try to be righteous'. I'll keep that quote so you
can deny that too later! :-).
Then you think God wants us to 'try to be unrighteous'?
Post by Michael McLean
You can't justify yourself, and trying to be righteous is an
abomination!!! How has it gone for you so far? Isn't it obvious? And
you say what you say because of self-righteousness, pride, and self-worship.
And you are judging a person when Jesus said not to. (see above)
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God, then that won't be a problem.
I know Him better than you know.
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that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
If Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient, then no one is saved or will
ever be saved.
But just listen to the ineptitude and the salaciousness of your speech!
You are even casting doubt on the works of God!
Do you feel alright? Hopefully you are not coming down with something.
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The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
All righteousness is OF God, not man.
Isn't that what I said? We get what is righteous from God's word, the
Bible, not ourselves. But we do have a small sense of goodness in that
we are made in God's image and was given a conscience.
Post by Michael McLean
A sinner trying to be righteous and believing he can justify himself
before the Lord is a filthy and repulsive and vile thing.
Humans can't judge themselves because they can't read hearts, like God
and Jesus can.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God.
I asked you nicely to stop wasting my time (with your own) trying to be
righteous!
Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God; Bible a al any denominational religion is nowhere
near enough.
Every man must come to God, one on one, as a little child believing in
Him without the doctrines of sinners, and without the translation of man.
Does God talk to you with an audible voice? That's the only way you
would get information about God that is not in the Bible.
For the rest of us poor slobs, we have to rely upon a highly accurate
Bible for our information.
Sincerely James
Who will rule God's Kingdom?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
John Ritson
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That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
If I am not "James", but "JW James", then what should I call you,
"Catholic Michael" or what?
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They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
Oh be quiet, you never do anything but parrot what you don't know or
understand.
It does not mean He cannot, it means He will not.
Your comment has some merit, since some translations say "who does not
lie" (NAB), and "who never lies" (RSV).
"Strong's Ref. # 893
Romanized apseudes
Pronounced aps-yoo-dace'
KJV--that cannot lie."
Anyone would think the Greeks were perfect the way your "theologians" of
Christendom go on.
There is one greater than the Greeks, Buddy!
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Thus the Greek word there is "apseudes".
"NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and pseudés
Definition
free from falsehood
NASB Translation
who cannot lie (1)."
Thus it looks like one could say ""who never lies", and be within the
definition.
I have a question then. Why do many translations say "cannot" instead
of the other definitions? Is there something about that Greek word
KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, Darby, Webster, NLT, ISV, AMPC, BRG, CSB, EHV,
GNV, HCSB, ISV, Phillips, JUB, AKJV, MEV, NABR, NASB1995, NCV, NLV,
NMB, RGT, TLV, WEB.
You have to know God, and man's translations are not Him.  Why do you
need so many translations?  Does that indeed register?
Most of those translations have Greek scholars for translating. By
looking at them all, we sometimes can get a 'flavor' of a particular
Greek word. Yet it is true they could all be wrong.
-- New King James
Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for
refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. [ALL CAPS MINE]
Post by Michael McLean
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a
greater good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth),"
which says all the more about God's perfect character.
So, if God does it, it cannot be something bad?
That's right. I told you, you have to know God, all you have is your
perceptions of God that you extract according to your own understanding
of the Bible.
I do a lot of research, both with JW literature, and outside of the
organization.
Then how do you get your perceptions of God?
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Looks like we are
getting philosophical here. But it does appear that would be true; if
God does it, it is good.
Of course it is!!! If you know God, no matter what happens, it is good.
He is God and there is none other, and He is good.
You can call it philosophy if you like; I call it knowing Him.
Just learning about God is not philosophy.
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But when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak.
God's universe is not upset, it is perfect and in order according to His
perfect will. Unless, there is another God opposing Him?
Satan threw a monkey wrench into God's plans for humans right then.
Concerning the universe, I didn't mean it literally. I said "so to
speak".
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
You not only have to know God, but know about Him accurately. For
example, many churches believe God is 3 persons, thus a Trinity. Those
(Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
(Mark 12:29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah
our God is one Jehovah,
(Mark 12:32) The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line
with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from
whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
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Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)
Satan cannot stop God's plans for a millisecond in a trillion years!
Read the accounts in Genesis. God had prepared the earth for the
arrival of humans. They were to be perfect, and to produce children
and live forever on a paradise earth. Satan TEMPORARILY stopped those
plans. But God ALWAYS gets His way!
Post by Michael McLean
God is God, and there is none like Him.
You have to know Him.
I'll join you there.
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-- Living Bible
Psalms 89:35 For I have sworn to David (and a holy God can never
lie), that his dynasty will go on forever, and his throne will
continue to the end of time.
-- New Living Translation
Psalms 89:35
I have sworn an oath to David,
You see through a glass darkly only, and so does the "sinner"
translators. You didn't answer the question? "Why do you
need so many translations? Does that indeed register?"
I deal with church people all the time. So I try to make them
comfortable by discussing Scriptures from their own Bible
translations.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
He created the lie, and in Him is all truth and all good. God is God.
You have to know Him.
His ways are NOT your ways, His thoughts are NOT your thoughts.
The Bible says His thoughts are higher than ours. And that is so true.
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You are probably not going to understand that because all you will
likely see is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie,
but not because He can't, but because He is who He is! Now that is funny
and ironic at the same time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now
we have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can
not, but because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you
something not only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of
the cross, and who He truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is
such a thing as a higher good under a lie  - Rahab the Harlot,
Jonathan's dishonesty toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of
his love for David, yes, even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being
examples of many.
Yes, there was some lies said by faithful servants of God, but I
haven't seen where God openly approved of their lies. I don't think
there is such a thing as a 'righteous lie'.
Well, there is, and that makes it a higher truth, and you have been
given examples you can understand.
You have to know Him.
That's the whole point. I know that God hates lies. It's one of the 7
things God hates: Proverbs 6:16-19
"16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren."
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
That is still a lie of the heart! He is not blinded by fancy footwork!
He is pure, your ways are not. You have to know Him.
That is not a lie. She would have seen them running towards her
dwelling. 'Wherever they are at now you might be able to catch them'.
Sure she knew where they were, but she never said she didn't know, in
my example.
Post by Michael McLean
Unfortunately above, that is your self-righteousness seeping out of the
sewer, James.
I never claimed self-righteousness. As a matter of fact, the Bible
says to see others as superior to ourselves. The Bible says all men
sin. So we have no right to brag about anything. Most everything I say
comes from the Bible. So it is really God who is speaking when I quote
Him.
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I wouldn't hesitate for a split-second to hide and lie for a Jewish
family, or for that matter, a JW family, from the Nazi's at my door.
There is something higher than the law, there is loving your neighbour
as thyself.
Loving your neighbour as thyself is not a human law.
I never said it was.
Post by Michael McLean
You are not getting it.
All God does is perfect, and true, and good, even a lie, even murder,
even adultery, even theft, death, misery, chaos, cancer, and so on.
Everything comes from Him.
God does not lie or murder or be adulterous, or steal, or make people
miserable, or feed on chaos or give people diseases such as cancer,
etc. Don't you know that many things happen by random chance?
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie: " 2 Thesalonians 2:11

Yes, God does lie.
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- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is
not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to
the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men
of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
I know that God only does righteous things. But I can see why you
think that way. If you are involved with the churches, you likely
believe your nameless God is a great Colonial Sanders, and fries the
wicked forever. (but they are not finger-licken good)
That would be a cruel God, one that I would never worship.
My God, Jehovah, is a kind God. One that will bring peace and harmony
to all lovers of God. Of course He is also a God of justice and will
get rid of those who hate God and their neighbors. Yet He won't fry
them alive, but will make them cease to exist. Check your Scriptures
and see if that is not so.
Post by Michael McLean
You should have seen that with your heart above (e.g. with the Nazis)
but you chose head! And you can't know God with the head, it must be
with the heart.
Well, at times we have to be careful about the heart. It can be
treacherous and mislead us. The Bible is there to guide us so that we
are not mislead by it.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know Him.
Been there, done that, and am doing that.
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- New King James
Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the
old man with his deeds,
-King James
Proverbs 6:16-19 16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift
in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord
among brethren.
Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Those standards above are according to His standards, not your sinner
standards, perceptions, paradigm, religious purview, and so on. For
instance, this is a lie from a liar...
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There are ways around lies, such as not saying anything, or like Rahab
could have said something like, "yes, I saw them running but wherever
they are now, maybe you will catch them.
...and in your religious world, you take it as truth!
There is no way around a lie!!!
Sure there is. You just have to be inventive.
Post by Michael McLean
For the record, you have just described a sinner above. But we know,
you appear to think you are a better quality of sinner that believes you
can judge those things in 'white as snow' fashion.
You know not what you are James.
I beg to differ. I just do the best I can with the Bible.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God, not your Bible humanistic opinions, otherwise you
are a ship on the ocean without a rudder and blown whatever way your
sinner thoughts and ways care to take you.
My boat has a large motor in the back. It can easily be steered.
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The fruit of the Spirit is love.  Against such is no law.
Again...
Sinners "cannot" define (own) God in their own paradigms and
definitions. "Human language, with its faults, is not God's language"
[quote Mark Earnest].
Rom_11:36  For OF him, and THROUGH him, and TO him, ARE ALL THINGS: to
whom be glory [and they are ALL glorious] for ever. Amen.
Yes, even death (our death), mayhem (the world the way it is), and
destruction (e.g. Ukraine right now, those recent Thai children families
lives, Tsunamis, the Babylonians, Romans et al.)!
However, you need to repent of this, big time, Buddy...
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
I did. Repentance is only once, if it is wholehearted.
- New King James
Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Thus a person has to 'endure' this wicked world and constantly repent
until the end, since we all keep sinning with our imperfections.
Knowing God quite well does not guarantee a person salvation. Why?
Because the Devil knows God much more than any human, yet he will not
be saved.
Post by Michael McLean
You and your glass darkly Bible interpretations as a sinner are not the
judge of who is what, James. The Lord is judge.
I never claimed to be a judge of anyone. The Bible says we should not
“Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you
are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are
measuring out, they will measure out to you." (Mt 7:1,2)
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God to know His ways; be in a relationship. He is not
a Bible, and you cannot know what the light of the Word is saying, in
the moment, if you do not know Him personally in the Spirit of Truth.
Does God talk to you in your head? Since for most of us, all our
knowledge about God, comes from what He revealed about Himself
in His Holy Written Word, the Bible.
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
I don't recollect writing that. That doesn't sound like something I
would write. I'm not even sure what it means.
I don't lie quote.
Perhaps your sinful state blinds you in some way, by some miracle! :-).
In the thread "Will JW James be a man?" on the 10/09/22, 10:48 (Aussie
date and time), at the end of your post.
All I can find on 10/9 is my posting: !!! Hellfire !!! Slander to a
Loving God.
At any rate, just ignore it since I have no recollection of it. (I am
sure you already have)
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No one can justify themselves, because righteousness is of Him, and Him
alone.
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous',
There you go, you are just redefining what I quoted of you above.
God does want us to 'try to be righteous'. I'll keep that quote so you
can deny that too later! :-).
Then you think God wants us to 'try to be unrighteous'?
Post by Michael McLean
You can't justify yourself, and trying to be righteous is an
abomination!!! How has it gone for you so far? Isn't it obvious? And
you say what you say because of self-righteousness, pride, and self-worship.
And you are judging a person when Jesus said not to. (see above)
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God, then that won't be a problem.
I know Him better than you know.
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that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
If Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient, then no one is saved or will
ever be saved.
But just listen to the ineptitude and the salaciousness of your speech!
You are even casting doubt on the works of God!
Do you feel alright? Hopefully you are not coming down with something.
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The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
All righteousness is OF God, not man.
Isn't that what I said? We get what is righteous from God's word, the
Bible, not ourselves. But we do have a small sense of goodness in that
we are made in God's image and was given a conscience.
Post by Michael McLean
A sinner trying to be righteous and believing he can justify himself
before the Lord is a filthy and repulsive and vile thing.
Humans can't judge themselves because they can't read hearts, like God
and Jesus can.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God.
I asked you nicely to stop wasting my time (with your own) trying to be
righteous!
Boy, are you barking up the wrong tree.
Post by Michael McLean
You have to know God; Bible a al any denominational religion is nowhere
near enough.
Every man must come to God, one on one, as a little child believing in
Him without the doctrines of sinners, and without the translation of man.
Does God talk to you with an audible voice? That's the only way you
would get information about God that is not in the Bible.
For the rest of us poor slobs, we have to rely upon a highly accurate
Bible for our information.
Sincerely James
Who will rule God's Kingdom?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
What a load of bull!
And what has all your bible study done for you but make you a liar??!!
Apparently in your heart.
Post by Michael McLean
You need to find the God of the Bible...in Person,
Yes, God is a person, and has a personal name, based on the
Teteragrammaton of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures (OT).
Some call Him "Yahweh" before translation, and others after
translation and that has been around for many centuries, call him
"Jehovah". Thus JW's can have a very close relationship with Almighty
God being on a name basis.
Post by Michael McLean
in the Spirit, in
your daily life and do everything He says, not ponce around in your own
righteousness telling everyone about your imperfect Bible theories.
JW's don't relate Bible theories like the churches (Trinity, hellfire,
immortal soul, etc) , but relate Bible laws. (one God, wicked complete
destruction, soul that dies)
Post by Michael McLean
There is enough of those types already floating around in here!
They are all over the place.
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
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Michael McLean
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In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
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John Ritson
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If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous', that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
Nonsense. Trying to be righteous and $2.50 will get you a candy bar and
nothing more.

If Jesus' sacrifice merely means, 'we have a chance' then let me know
when an effective sacrifice is provided, that is more than a mere
'chance' for salvation.

The yearly sacrifice of the High Priest in the Temple was not a 'mere
chance for salvation,' but rather totally abated God's wrath from the
nation. In the same tone, the sacrifice of Jesus did not mean a mere
'chance' of salvation, but rather established salvation on the rock so
that the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

The name Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua. 'Joshua' means the Lord is
Salvation. It does not mean, 'mere chance for salvation.'

By the terminology you use, you are showing your true belief. You
believe that God the Father is a fickle, vengeful, wrathful tyrant who
leaves everyone clueless and in the dark about his desires and
intentions, so everyone is hand-wringing and worry-warting about whether
or not a loud fart will offend God and doom them to a roasting pit.

God is not concerned about your flesh or your fleshly behavior. The
flesh cannot be subject to the law of God. We do not serve God with our
flesh. We serve him with our mind. This is the 'mind of Christ in you'
that the Apostle taught. By trying to serve God with your flesh, with
your 'repenting of sin' you are specifically *not* serving God with your
mind. And what did God say of this?

'I have desired obedience, not sacrifice!'

God hates man's sacrifices. God wants obedience! And what is obedience?
Is it refraining from sin in the flesh? Hell, no!

Obedience is Repentance is Obedience. To obey is to repent. "Repent"
means to turn the mind, and give your mind to God, to be thoroughly
baptized in his Word. RE = turn, bend ; PENTE = mind, conscience.

Thus we are commanded to be baptized to have a clean conscience before
God. Not a clean body. Not a clean lifestyle. A clean conscience!

The truly righteous argue with God all day and all night. The difference
between the truly righteous and the religious is this: The religious
argue with everyone else, and project their own unrighteousness onto the
people around them, rather than wrestling with God.

If you fall upon this stone you will be broken. But if this stone falls
upon you, you will be crushed. That's all your religious 'repenting of
your sins' is storing up for you.
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The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
This scripture is not a rule book, like you present it. Jesus was
talking about that time and that place. He was not giving a universal
law. He was talking about people being saved from the coming destruction
and warfare.

The scribes and pharisees were law-keepers who 'repented of their sins'
like no other. Were they saved at the end? No, they were exterminated.
Those who fled Judea, when the warning came from John the Apostle, were
saved from the wrath to come.

How do we know this, that John's warning came and the righteous fled and
escaped the wrath of the end? Jesus said of John, that John would tarry
until the time of the end. He said that John would still be alive when
Jesus returned to execute God's wrath on Judea. John had his visions and
wrote them down. Then John sent his writing (Revelation) to the saints
abroad. In it was a warning:

"When you see the abomination of desolation ... flee into the mountains..."

That was the time of the end that Jesus was talking about. He was not
talking about our age. He was talking about the end of that age, nearly
two thousand years past.

Trying to package one scripture verse up as a universal code of conduct
is a denial of what the scripture was meant to address. It was directed
to a particular group of people at a particular time.

Your religion cannot save you. Your religion dooms you.
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Flip the night switch.
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Post by Michael McLean
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous', that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
Nonsense. Trying to be righteous and $2.50 will get you a candy bar and
nothing more.
If Jesus' sacrifice merely means, 'we have a chance' then let me know
when an effective sacrifice is provided, that is more than a mere
'chance' for salvation.
The yearly sacrifice of the High Priest in the Temple was not a 'mere
chance for salvation,' but rather totally abated God's wrath from the
nation. In the same tone, the sacrifice of Jesus did not mean a mere
'chance' of salvation, but rather established salvation on the rock so
that the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
The name Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua. 'Joshua' means the Lord is
Salvation. It does not mean, 'mere chance for salvation.'
By the terminology you use, you are showing your true belief. You
believe that God the Father is a fickle, vengeful, wrathful tyrant who
leaves everyone clueless and in the dark about his desires and
intentions, so everyone is hand-wringing and worry-warting about whether
or not a loud fart will offend God and doom them to a roasting pit.
Hahahaha...so true.

Pro 28:1  The wicked flee when no man pursueth:

Fleeing every little anticipated flaw according to their own
righteousness standards.

What bondage!

Is it alright to say "fart"? Yes, no, oh, I don't know, so I better ask
for forgiveness anyway! I would laugh if it wasn't so sad! And there
is their ministers of "righteousness" telling them, this is right, this
is wrong, this avoid, this do, this don't do, don't think this, don't
think that, do this, don't do that. This means this, that means that,
only sometimes that means this, and this means that.

Total slavery to their own ways!!!

Sad, totally sad.
Post by Nightbulb.net
God is not concerned about your flesh or your fleshly behavior. The
flesh cannot be subject to the law of God. We do not serve God with our
flesh. We serve him with our mind. This is the 'mind of Christ in you'
that the Apostle taught. By trying to serve God with your flesh, with
your 'repenting of sin' you are specifically *not* serving God with your
mind. And what did God say of this?
'I have desired obedience, not sacrifice!'
Exactly.

He is the Saviour, not them in their own self-sacrifices and their bible
doctrines!
Post by Nightbulb.net
God hates man's sacrifices. God wants obedience! And what is obedience?
Is it refraining from sin in the flesh? Hell, no!
Obedience is Repentance is Obedience. To obey is to repent. "Repent"
means to turn the mind, and give your mind to God, to be thoroughly
baptized in his Word. RE = turn, bend ; PENTE = mind, conscience.
Thus we are commanded to be baptized to have a clean conscience before
God. Not a clean body. Not a clean lifestyle. A clean conscience!
The truly righteous argue with God all day and all night. The difference
between the truly righteous and the religious is this: The religious
argue with everyone else, and project their own unrighteousness onto the
people around them, rather than wrestling with God.
If you fall upon this stone you will be broken. But if this stone falls
upon you, you will be crushed. That's all your religious 'repenting of
your sins' is storing up for you.
Post by z***@windstream.net
The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
This scripture is not a rule book, like you present it. Jesus was
talking about that time and that place. He was not giving a universal
law. He was talking about people being saved from the coming destruction
and warfare.
The scribes and pharisees were law-keepers who 'repented of their sins'
like no other. Were they saved at the end? No, they were exterminated.
Those who fled Judea, when the warning came from John the Apostle, were
saved from the wrath to come.
How do we know this, that John's warning came and the righteous fled and
escaped the wrath of the end? Jesus said of John, that John would tarry
until the time of the end. He said that John would still be alive when
Jesus returned to execute God's wrath on Judea. John had his visions and
wrote them down. Then John sent his writing (Revelation) to the saints
"When you see the abomination of desolation ... flee into the mountains..."
That was the time of the end that Jesus was talking about. He was not
talking about our age. He was talking about the end of that age, nearly
two thousand years past.
Trying to package one scripture verse up as a universal code of conduct
is a denial of what the scripture was meant to address. It was directed
to a particular group of people at a particular time.
Your religion cannot save you. Your religion dooms you.
Or, as I have testified for years and years, theology cannot save you,
and has never saved anyone!

But what else do they have? The don't know God. A sad sad state, but
one of their own doing! Imagine standing before God and trying to
justify yourself, let alone claiming to have justified yourself???!!!

In the thread "Will JW James be a man?"
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I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
Unbelievable! An abomination!





Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
Dr. Who
2022-11-05 22:49:39 UTC
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Post by Michael McLean
Post by Nightbulb.net
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Michael McLean
If you have a ***genuine*** question, fine, but don't waste my time
(with your own), trying to be righteous!
God wants us to 'try to be righteous', that means we are trying to
obey His commands (although we fail at times). That is why we so
needed Jesus' ransom sacrifice. With it, we have a chance.
Nonsense. Trying to be righteous and $2.50 will get you a candy bar and
nothing more.
If Jesus' sacrifice merely means, 'we have a chance' then let me know
when an effective sacrifice is provided, that is more than a mere
'chance' for salvation.
The yearly sacrifice of the High Priest in the Temple was not a 'mere
chance for salvation,' but rather totally abated God's wrath from the
nation. In the same tone, the sacrifice of Jesus did not mean a mere
'chance' of salvation, but rather established salvation on the rock so
that the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
The name Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua. 'Joshua' means the Lord is
Salvation. It does not mean, 'mere chance for salvation.'
By the terminology you use, you are showing your true belief. You
believe that God the Father is a fickle, vengeful, wrathful tyrant who
leaves everyone clueless and in the dark about his desires and
intentions, so everyone is hand-wringing and worry-warting about whether
or not a loud fart will offend God and doom them to a roasting pit.
Hahahaha...so true.
Fleeing every little anticipated flaw according to their own
righteousness standards.
What bondage!
Is it alright to say "fart"? Yes, no, oh, I don't know, so I better ask
for forgiveness anyway! I would laugh if it wasn't so sad! And there
is their ministers of "righteousness" telling them, this is right, this
is wrong, this avoid, this do, this don't do, don't think this, don't
think that, do this, don't do that. This means this, that means that,
only sometimes that means this, and this means that.
Total slavery to their own ways!!!
Total Slavery, Says Michael who often uses the homosexual ideations in his
speech when he comments on other people in these NG's.
Post by Michael McLean
Sad, totally sad.
Post by Nightbulb.net
God is not concerned about your flesh or your fleshly behavior. The
flesh cannot be subject to the law of God. We do not serve God with our
flesh. We serve him with our mind. This is the 'mind of Christ in you'
that the Apostle taught. By trying to serve God with your flesh, with
your 'repenting of sin' you are specifically *not* serving God with your
mind. And what did God say of this?
'I have desired obedience, not sacrifice!'
Exactly.
He is the Saviour, not them in their own self-sacrifices and their bible
doctrines!
Post by Nightbulb.net
God hates man's sacrifices. God wants obedience! And what is obedience?
Is it refraining from sin in the flesh? Hell, no!
Obedience is Repentance is Obedience. To obey is to repent. "Repent"
means to turn the mind, and give your mind to God, to be thoroughly
baptized in his Word. RE = turn, bend ; PENTE = mind, conscience.
Thus we are commanded to be baptized to have a clean conscience before
God. Not a clean body. Not a clean lifestyle. A clean conscience!
The truly righteous argue with God all day and all night. The difference
between the truly righteous and the religious is this: The religious
argue with everyone else, and project their own unrighteousness onto the
people around them, rather than wrestling with God.
If you fall upon this stone you will be broken. But if this stone falls
upon you, you will be crushed. That's all your religious 'repenting of
your sins' is storing up for you.
Post by z***@windstream.net
The righteous are saved with much difficulty. So we must constantly
try to do what is right. And then we can be saved at the end. (Mt
24:13)
This scripture is not a rule book, like you present it. Jesus was
talking about that time and that place. He was not giving a universal
law. He was talking about people being saved from the coming destruction
and warfare.
The scribes and pharisees were law-keepers who 'repented of their sins'
like no other. Were they saved at the end? No, they were exterminated.
Those who fled Judea, when the warning came from John the Apostle, were
saved from the wrath to come.
How do we know this, that John's warning came and the righteous fled and
escaped the wrath of the end? Jesus said of John, that John would tarry
until the time of the end. He said that John would still be alive when
Jesus returned to execute God's wrath on Judea. John had his visions and
wrote them down. Then John sent his writing (Revelation) to the saints
"When you see the abomination of desolation ... flee into the mountains..."
That was the time of the end that Jesus was talking about. He was not
talking about our age. He was talking about the end of that age, nearly
two thousand years past.
Trying to package one scripture verse up as a universal code of conduct
is a denial of what the scripture was meant to address. It was directed
to a particular group of people at a particular time.
Your religion cannot save you. Your religion dooms you.
Or, as I have testified for years and years, theology cannot save you,
and has never saved anyone!
But what else do they have? The don't know God. A sad sad state, but
one of their own doing! Imagine standing before God and trying to
justify yourself, let alone claiming to have justified yourself???!!!
In the thread "Will JW James be a man?"
Post by Nightbulb.net
I justify myself before God. I suggest you do the same.
Unbelievable! An abomination!
Mike
Michael McLean
2022-11-06 02:18:11 UTC
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You have it.

Don't bother striving.

You got ya own hamburger, McDonald.




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
Nightbulb.net
2022-11-05 09:03:39 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
We ALL need to repent of our sins, since we all sin.
Repentance is not the cessation of sin. Repentance is the turning of the
mind toward Jesus Christ, who became sin for us.

"Repent of your sins" is a pagan concept. It is preserved in the Roman
Cathlic Cult of Mithras: "Good thought. Good word. Good deed." This is
Roman 'repentance' and it is thoroughly pagan.

Repentance is an act of the heart and mind, a sea change in perspective.
It has nothing to do with turning over a new leaf or breaking bad habits.

"With my flesh I serve the law of sin ... with my mind I serve the law
of God."
--
Nightbulb
https://blog.nightbulb.net
Flip the night switch.
Nightbulb.net
2022-11-05 09:07:26 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus it says God HATES lies. It doesn't say He excuses them if it is
for righteous purposes.
Neither does it say that he condemns them. Assuming such is just that,
assumption. God hates a lying tongue, for sure. Liars who preach a false
gospel. False witness bearers. But telling a lie to keep a murderer at
by from slaughtering your children? Are you going to give the hidden
refugee location to the Gestapo, or are you going to lie and say you
known nothing about any hidden refugees?

By your fanatically pure reckoning, when the rapist comes for your kids
you should frog-march your children out naked and hand them over. But
isn't that exactly what millions of Christians have done by handing
their children over to pedophile priests?
--
Nightbulb
https://blog.nightbulb.net
Flip the night switch.
Nightbulb.net
2022-11-05 09:16:52 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
ut when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak. Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth. (but that will still happen)
This is nonsense. The first man Adam was of the earth, earthy. The last
Adam is a quickening spirit. You err, not understanding the scripture.

Firstly the concept of 'the universe' is nowhere found in the
scriptures. It is a pagan concept. The Christian version of "the fall of
man" is from Mithraic and Zoroastrian dualism, not the Law and the Prophets.

God never intended to create a 'paradise earth' that got mucked up by
the all-powerful devil. The doctrine of the paradise earth being
restored is from the cult of Mithraism, the chief foundation of the
Catholic belief system. In the true faith of Christ, man will be
restored to paradise, in the heavenly realm with the Father.

Paradise is where Jesus and the thief went after the crucifixion. "I
tell you truly, this day thou shalt be with me in Paradise." Paradise is
beyond the earth. This is where Adam and Eve were in the beginning. The
earth is a lower part of the realm of Paradise, like a pit in the middle
of it, or like the sewers under the streets. Mankind fell into the pit
(became mortal) and is imprisoned in it, in the cycle of fleshly
reproduction.

The earth and bodies we inhabit are the product of sin. The first
mankind rebelled against God, by choosing to believe their own thoughts
and imagination over God's instruction. This caused them to fall into
the pit (hell) which is this world.

Bible-bangers hammer on the bible yet know not what it is saying to them.

The world is the product of man's clouded belief. The gestalt of all men
sharing in delusions and illusions is what creates this hellish world
and imprisons their spirits in it. When Jesus sets one free from death
and hell, his spirit returns to the heavenly paradise, into a heavenly
body. To be absent from the body (physical) is to be present with the Lord.

The original Christians, up until the time of Polycarp, believed and
taught apokostatasis. This doctrine holds that all sentient creatures
originated with the Father in Heaven, and fell into this world, and took
on bodies of sinful flesh. As Paul says, the flesh indeed cannot be
subject to the Law of God ... who will deliver me from this body of death?

You are in your body of death. Your flesh body is your grave. This world
is the hell of the scripture, in which the dead know nothing at all. All
the religious victims gabble and wane and babble and banter nothing but
blather, knowing nothing, seeing nothing.

You all have the word of God written in black and white and still no
matter how much you read it you know nothing of it, because it is not
written on your hearts. Do you have a heart of parchment? A heart of stone?

You are already dead. You have already died and gone to hell. You are in
hell, now, here, today, in this world. Because Jesus paid for sin, if
you believe on Him, then when your body dies, you are no longer
imprisoned in the cycle of death.

Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ...
who will deliver me from this body of death? To be in this body is to be
dead. To be free from this body is to be alive. Jesus grants us eternal
life, or 'life unto the age of ages,' meaning we no longer are trapped
in our delusions and set free from the power of sin, which reigns in the
flesh.

The "original sin" happened in the spiritual realm when the sons of God
turned their minds away from God. The early Christians described it as
the spirits getting 'restless' and cooling off in their adoration toward
the Father. They stopped loving him, and started loving their own
imaginations.

Thus they sunk into a physical form in this world. Not wanting that any
should perish, the Father imprisoned his sons in this world, so that
their spirits, although in a sort of sleep, would not totally die, to
give them time to return their minds and hearts to Him.

"If I am lifted up I will draw all men to me."

All the Christian nonsense about Creationism is just nonsense. The devil
didn't stop God's plans for an instant. God foreordained for all of this
to happen, so that he can harvest all his sons back to himself wise and
experienced, full of understanding of themselves and of their Father, so
they would be capable of loving and adoring him from a place of
knowledge and understanding.
--
Nightbulb
https://blog.nightbulb.net
Flip the night switch.
Michael McLean
2022-11-06 01:56:19 UTC
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Post by Nightbulb.net
Post by z***@windstream.net
ut when it comes to lying, that is what upset God's universe so to
speak. Satan temporarily stopped all of God's plans to have perfect
humans inhabiting a paradise earth.  (but that will still happen)
This is nonsense. The first man Adam was of the earth, earthy. The last
Adam is a quickening spirit. You err, not understanding the scripture.
Firstly the concept of 'the universe' is nowhere found in the
scriptures. It is a pagan concept. The Christian version of "the fall of
man" is from Mithraic and Zoroastrian dualism, not the Law and the Prophets.
God never intended to create a 'paradise earth' that got mucked up by
the all-powerful devil. The doctrine of the paradise earth being
restored is from the cult of Mithraism, the chief foundation of the
Catholic belief system. In the true faith of Christ, man will be
restored to paradise, in the heavenly realm with the Father.
Paradise is where Jesus and the thief went after the crucifixion. "I
tell you truly, this day thou shalt be with me in Paradise." Paradise is
beyond the earth. This is where Adam and Eve were in the beginning. The
earth is a lower part of the realm of Paradise, like a pit in the middle
of it, or like the sewers under the streets. Mankind fell into the pit
(became mortal) and is imprisoned in it, in the cycle of fleshly
reproduction.
The earth and bodies we inhabit are the product of sin. The first
mankind rebelled against God, by choosing to believe their own thoughts
and imagination over God's instruction. This caused them to fall into
the pit (hell) which is this world.
Bible-bangers hammer on the bible yet know not what it is saying to them.
The world is the product of man's clouded belief. The gestalt of all men
sharing in delusions and illusions is what creates this hellish world
and imprisons their spirits in it. When Jesus sets one free from death
and hell, his spirit returns to the heavenly paradise, into a heavenly
body. To be absent from the body (physical) is to be present with the Lord.
The original Christians, up until the time of Polycarp, believed and
taught apokostatasis. This doctrine holds that all sentient creatures
originated with the Father in Heaven, and fell into this world, and took
on bodies of sinful flesh. As Paul says, the flesh indeed cannot be
subject to the Law of God ... who will deliver me from this body of death?
You are in your body of death. Your flesh body is your grave. This world
is the hell of the scripture, in which the dead know nothing at all. All
the religious victims gabble and wane and babble and banter nothing but
blather, knowing nothing, seeing nothing.
You all have the word of God written in black and white and still no
matter how much you read it you know nothing of it, because it is not
written on your hearts. Do you have a heart of parchment? A heart of stone?
You are already dead. You have already died and gone to hell. You are in
hell, now, here, today, in this world. Because Jesus paid for sin, if
you believe on Him, then when your body dies, you are no longer
imprisoned in the cycle of death.
Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ...
who will deliver me from this body of death? To be in this body is to be
dead. To be free from this body is to be alive. Jesus grants us eternal
life, or 'life unto the age of ages,' meaning we no longer are trapped
in our delusions and set free from the power of sin, which reigns in the
flesh.
The "original sin" happened in the spiritual realm when the sons of God
turned their minds away from God. The early Christians described it as
the spirits getting 'restless' and cooling off in their adoration toward
the Father. They stopped loving him, and started loving their own
imaginations.
Thus they sunk into a physical form in this world. Not wanting that any
should perish, the Father imprisoned his sons in this world, so that
their spirits, although in a sort of sleep, would not totally die, to
give them time to return their minds and hearts to Him.
"If I am lifted up I will draw all men to me."
All the Christian nonsense about Creationism is just nonsense. The devil
didn't stop God's plans for an instant. God foreordained for all of this
to happen, so that he can harvest all his sons back to himself wise and
experienced, full of understanding of themselves and of their Father, so
they would be capable of loving and adoring him from a place of
knowledge and understanding.
...a place of truly loving Him for who He is!

You are speaking what I have come to understand.

I was dragged out of Christendom earlier on, and brought along precepts
in my head about what Christendom teaches, much like the Jews brought
along their Egypt experience in the Exodus.

I clung to the hope for a long time that Christendom was the chosen
people, even with all its flaws, but now I see the hollow effigy.

Praise the Lord for that, of course.




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
Dr. Who
2022-10-10 15:55:26 UTC
Permalink
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a greater
good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth)," which says all
the more about God's perfect character.
You are probably not going to understand that because all you will likely see
is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie, but not because He
can't, but because He is who He is!Now that is funny and ironic at the same
time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now we
have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can not, but
because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you something not
only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of the cross, and who He
truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is such a
thing as a higher good under a lie - Rahab the Harlot, Jonathan's dishonesty
toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of his love for David, yes,
even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being examples of many.
I happened to read James' reply to this, so I had to look at your post to see
if you clearly said this.

You did.
Michael McLean
2022-10-10 22:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Who
It is not "cannot," it means He will not, but He can if there is a greater
good, because then a "lie" becomes a "good (a higher truth)," which says all
the more about God's perfect character.
You are probably not going to understand that because all you will likely see
is a contradiction, but the bottom line is God cannot lie, but not because He
can't, but because He is who He is!Now that is funny and ironic at the same
time! God ***chooses*** to be what He is not! :-).
Again, that says all the more about God's perfect character.
His ways, are not your ways, and are greater than yours and mine, so now we
have arrived, God cannot be what He is not, but not because He can not, but
because He chooses not to be, which, again, should tell you something not
only about the nature of God, but Lord Jesus' choice of the cross, and who He
truly is.
God is under no law; His being is higher than law, and that is love.
Do you believe a lie originated with someone greater than He? There is such a
thing as a higher good under a lie - Rahab the Harlot, Jonathan's dishonesty
toward the king, his father Saul, for the sake of his love for David, yes,
even Rebekah in her love for Jacob, being examples of many.
I happened to read James' reply to this, so I had to look at your post to see
if you clearly said this.
You did.
Of course I did! Do you want me to write it again for you? :-). God
is God and all things come from Him, Buddy boy unbeliever. You are not
righteousness.

All you do is look for fault because you have a faulty spirit.

Thus, that is all you will find, Robert Righteousness.




Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
Nightbulb.net
2022-11-05 09:00:59 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
I happened to read James' reply to this, so I had to look at your post to see
if you clearly said this.
You did.
Of course I did!  Do you want me to write it again for you?  😄.  God is
God and all things come from Him, Buddy boy unbeliever.  You are not
righteousness.
All you do is look for fault because you have a faulty spirit.
Thus, that is all you will find, Robert Righteousness.
Rightless Robert

always turning left, going in circles
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Nightbulb
https://blog.nightbulb.net
Flip the night switch.
Michael McLean
2022-11-05 21:55:01 UTC
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Post by Nightbulb.net
Post by Dr. Who
I happened to read James' reply to this, so I had to look at your post to see
if you clearly said this.
You did.
Of course I did!  Do you want me to write it again for you?  😄.  God
is God and all things come from Him, Buddy boy unbeliever.  You are
not righteousness.
All you do is look for fault because you have a faulty spirit.
Thus, that is all you will find, Robert Righteousness.
Rightless Robert
always turning left, going in circles.
And it has been going on for quite some time, I notice.

Since you came along, I get to revisit the thoughts of a few older posts
– not very old, but days, a week old or so, and I notice more and more,
Robert "turning left, and going in circles."

Samson, and Robert is no Samson, didn't even know the Spirit of God had
departed from his life because he was so consumed with his own thoughts
and wants. So it is with Robert.

Such is the abysmal state of striving for your own righteousness. That
is Christendom for you; while they claim from the rooftops, it is
Christ's righteousness, no less! :-). Even when you tell them
righteousness is OF God and will always be, it still is like a ship in
the night in front of their eyes.

Their hearts cry out, I want my own righteousness, and with my bible I
will have it!!!




Mike
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."
Nightbulb.net
2022-11-05 09:00:03 UTC
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Post by Dr. Who
I happened to read James' reply to this, so I had to look at your post to see
if you clearly said this.
I find it hilarious that religious liars consider themselves experts on
the subject of honesty.
--
Nightbulb
https://blog.nightbulb.net
Flip the night switch.
Michael McLean
2022-10-08 20:48:43 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent. Yeah, right!!!
They create that question to refute the statement by religious folk
that "God can do anything." Shockingly to many, actually He can't. For
-- New King James
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised
before time began,
In other words, God cannot do things outside of His purely righteous
personality.
As for the rock question, that has an answer also. Look at the wording
carefully. The question is a trick question. It is a paradox. It is
Can God make a heavy rock?
and
Can God lift a heavy rock?
The answer to both of these is yes. But by combining the two and
juggling a few words, we can end up with a paradox that logically
can't exist in the real world. It is a designed contradiction. We are
asking, Can God do something He can't do? (Can God lift up a rock he
can't lift up?)
A correct rewording of it so that it could exist in the real world
Can God lift up any heavy stone He makes? The answer is "Yes".
So don't be fooled by clever anti-God statements that try to draw you
away from God. Research the Bible for yourself, and see if it lives up
to its claims or not. 1 Th 5:21,
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
Sincerely James
Why the lack of rain?
Go to www.jw.org or jw.org
Post by Michael McLean
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him. A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you. Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact. Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference. Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
Michael McLean
Can God make black the same as white? The answer is this is human language with its > faults, not God's language.
Wow, perfect!





Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
Attila
2022-10-11 14:04:10 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:48:56 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
That much BS just to dodge the question you yourself asked.
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Two Bitches and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line
and are working against the country and
what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Michael McLean
2022-10-11 20:56:06 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
That much BS just to dodge the question you yourself asked.
This is why you are not qualified.

"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."




Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
Attila
2022-10-11 21:52:01 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 07:56:06 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
My evidence is what you wrote - and did not write,
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
That much BS just to dodge the question you yourself asked.
This is why you are not qualified.
"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."
Michael McLean
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Two Bitches and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line
and are working against the country and
what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
Michael McLean
2022-10-11 22:09:34 UTC
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"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."

That is why we can't have a conversation with you.

You are not supporting evidence.




Michael McLean
Post by Attila
On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 07:56:06 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
My evidence is what you wrote - and did not write,
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
That much BS just to dodge the question you yourself asked.
This is why you are not qualified.
"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."
Michael McLean
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time."
Attila
2022-10-11 23:08:35 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:09:34 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."
That is why we can't have a conversation with you.
You are not supporting evidence.
More illogical comments from the Lying Prick and
Inconsiderate Top-poster.
Post by Michael McLean
Michael McLean
Post by Attila
On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 07:56:06 +1100, Michael McLean
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
Post by Michael McLean
That is a nonsense question that atheist geniuses ask in order to try
and out-think God and sound intelligent.  Yeah, right!!!
My God IS the rock (all rock). All things have their being in Him, so it
doesn't matter how much rock there is or how big it is...all rock is
Him...and everything moves and has its being in Him.  A rock does not
have "being" outside, or beyond God!
Your kidney moves and has its being in you. Hence, there is no such
thing as a "kidney being" outside or bigger than you.  Henceforth and so
forth, fiction is just fiction, and yet atheists do their very best to
turn fiction into fact.  Like, everything created itself, evolved
itself, scientifically orgasmically masturbated and massaged itself into
being over a long, long, long time...as if that makes a shred of
difference.  Now, don't get me started!
Maybe these atheists have been eating too many kidney beans??!! Is that
why there is a lot of flatulence in what they say??
My evidence is what you wrote - and did not write,
Post by Michael McLean
Post by Attila
That much BS just to dodge the question you yourself asked.
This is why you are not qualified.
"You lie by denying the truth...constantly."
Michael McLean
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Two Bitches and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line
and are working against the country and
what it stands for.

Stop the Green Raw Deal!

I dare call it treason.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

I don't know how Baghdad Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
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